[JBoss JIRA] (JBDS-2112) should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors / categories?
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Summary: should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
categories?
Key: JBDS-2112
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Sub-task
Security Level: Public (Everyone can see)
Components: SOA Tooling / Platform
Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Key: JBDS-2112
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Bugzilla References: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=811977
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Key: JBDS-2112
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
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Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Bugzilla References: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=811977 (was:
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should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Key: JBDS-2112
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
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Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Bugzilla References: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=811977,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=811981 (was:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=811977)
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Key: JBDS-2112
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Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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JBoss JIRA Server <jira-update(a)redhat.com> made a comment on [bug
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Rick Wagner <rwagner(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
I find it a little confusing-- is that dividing line after the first 2 items meant to
divide by 'Enterprise vs. Community' or 'Get the package vs. Ala-carte'?
Both seem to be true. The top 2 categories (SOA and BRMS) are our 'Enterprise'
offerings. The bottom categories are 'Community' or ambiguous.
But the top 2 could also be taken as aggregations, while the bottom ones are singletons
you can pick from....
I'd think this could be confusing. Could we have some description 'for Enterprise
users', 'for Community users', or something similar?
Thanks,
Rick
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
New approach: adds mising jBPM5, and splits "abridged" into two categories for
SOA-P and BRMS:
!jbds-central-soa-new-approach-000.png!
Also added tooltips for the two all-in-ones, into which we can put a screengrab
(320x240px) and some descriptive text:
!jbds-central-soa-new-approach-001.png!
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Key: JBDS-2112
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Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
@Len: not according to Burr's comment above:
Burr Sutter added a comment - 12/Apr/12 8:57 AM
> jBPM 3 (SOA-P 5.3) is different from jBPM 5 (BRMS 5.3)
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
The menu above consists of, as you say, Prix Fixe options followed by A La Carte options.
Users can install individual components (unless we remove those choices), or can pick one
of two "normal use case" buckets of functionality -- tooling for SOA-P or
tooling for BRMS.
Burr's asked that I relabel the top section. Not sure yet how to do so...
(2012-04-18 16:25:07) burr: For instance "All-inOne Install: Tools for use with JBoss
SOA runtimes" is the description above BRMS
(2012-04-18 16:25:10) burr: which is wrong
(2012-04-18 16:25:16) burr: we also have BRMS runtimes
(2012-04-18 16:25:45) burr: and a customer has to purchase either App, SOA or BRMS
platforms - with BRMS subject to a name change at some point in the future
I think the problem is that I've been calling "all the tools related to SOA
runtimes, be they from SOA-P or BRMS" by the name "SOA Tooling".
So, by that logic, there are two all-in-one / prix fixe options: SOA-P and BRMS.
But if my label "SOA Tooling" is misleading I can remove that in favour of
something less confusing.
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Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Len DiMaggio <ldimaggi(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Aren't we also shipping jBPM5 with SOA-P 5.3?
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
BTW, this is how the features appear on the JBDS SOA Update site
!https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12353655/JBDS2078.snap.png!
Similar categories appear for JBT SOA aggregate site (which may or may not ever be
published to the community), as viewed in Eclipse from this URL:
http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Somebody? We need names, faces, hands, and email addresses if this is going to happen. :)
As to their being dropped, they're already not in Central. They need to step up and
add themselves if/when they're ready to do so.
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
New suggestion:
For JBT, list projects for individual install:
!eclipse37jee-jbosstools-soa-tooling-site.png!
For JBDS, list product-related bundles of features for grouped install:
!jbds5-jbds-soa-tooling-site.png!
Note that we could also have BOTH contributions in the same site, so that the JBDS Central
site could include BOTH the products and the projects in the same UI.
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Burr Sutter <bsutter(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Somebody in Westford is going to have to force the BRMS & SOA folks to pay attention.
If necessary, we can drop both from JBoss Central - leaving them with simple updatesites
only.
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Ken Johnson <kejohnso(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Comments on a few of the above entries:
First on the JBDS SOA Update site above.
1. I don't think "SOA-P" means anything to customers. It's a very
internal term. Suggest simply "SOA" since we've done away with the old
collection named with "SOA"
2. The ModeShape tools go under JBoss Data Servcies rather than SOA
Second on the most recent screenshots above. They look good and are less confusing.
Couple points:
1. Do you think users get the difference between "Project Tooling" and
"Product Tooling". Assuming your eyes pick up the subtle wording, does that
carry significant meaning to users? Should it be "Community Project Tooling"
and "Product Tooling" or a similar distinction? Or maybe it's "JBoss
Tooling by Project" vs "JBoss Tools by Product"? Maybe splitting hairs a
bit.
2. Under Product we have two products SOA-P and BRMS. There are actually 3 products: SOA
Platform, Data Services Platform and BRMS. Rather than creating a new product category,
perhaps rename the "SOA-P Tooling" to "SOA and Data Services Tooling".
Since Data Services is a superset this makes more sense than breaking them out. Here the
Teiid and ModeShape tools would be under "SOA and Data Services Tooling" with
ESB, jBPM 3, BPEL, etc.
Thoughts?
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Do you think users get the difference between "Project
Tooling" and "Product Tooling".
Well, if they install JBoss Tools, they'll see the SOA contributions to Central
labelled "Project Tooling". If they install JBDS, they'll see "Product
Tooling". It's unlikely they'll see both buckets in the same UI, since the
plan is to include only individual projects in JBT and the grouped product-like bundles in
JBDS.
There are actually 3 products
I'm good with relabelling the 2 categories in JBDS Central or adding a third,
massaging the contents of the categories, etc. It's a minimal amount of work to make
whatever changes you feel provide the best, clearest choices for customers. All I need is
that you all agree on what you want, and explicit instructions on what to change, eg.,
* [JBDS Updates] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match update site)
* [JBDS Updates] move Modeshape into JBoss Data Services and also include in "SOA and
Data Services Tooling" category (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] add jbpm5 to SOA and Data Services Tooling" category (?)
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Key: JBDS-2112
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Assignee: John Graham
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
okey so lets just reiterate what we agreed on (and which as I read it is the same thing
Ken J. says):
There should not be any mention of specific product platforms in the categories, since
product names changes, product content changes and users perception changes/are
different.
We do not have any mention of Project vs Product in marketing nor UI thus it is not really
useful for grouping either.
We do have a mention of JBoss Community when we talk about JBoss AS support and we do have
JBoss Enterprise Application Platform (fully spelt out) for the server adapter - but that
is the only difference.
Thus lets keep product/project and name mangling out of the categories and just leave them
to be names about what they are useful for, i.e. "SOA and Data services
tooling", "Business Rules" etc.
And I suggest we use the same exact categories/names in both JBT and JBDS since they are
meant to be the exact same groupings/content. Just that the number of plugins/features in
group might vary wether it is JBT or JBDS central showing it.
Modeshape is though one that "falls outside" since this is something useful for
anyone using JCR, such as portal, soa or even for non-app server users.
Ken's grouping of it is fine by me - its though problematic it is only built/released
when SOA product is doing builds.
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Currently:
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Len DiMaggio <ldimaggi(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Just to re-re-re-cap
1) We will end up with these (2) choices:
* SOA and Data Services Tooling
* BRMS Tooling
2) And - these same titles will be used in both JBoss Central and the update site.
Correct?
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Currently:
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To generate the above screenshots:
{code}
# tru is jbosstools/trunk local svn checkout folder
alias httpd='sudo /opt/nanohttpd/run -d ${HOME}/tru -p 8081'; httpd
cd ~/tru/build/aggregate/soa-site; mvn clean install -Dcollect.zips.skip
./eclipse -vmargs
-Djboss.discovery.directory.url=http://localhost:8081/build/aggregate/soa-site/site/target/site/jbosstools-directory.xml
{code}
{code}
# truu is devstudio/trunk local svn checkout folder
alias httpdd='sudo /opt/nanohttpd/run -d ${HOME}/truu -p 8080'; httpdd
cd ~/truu/product-soa; mvn clean install
./jbdevstudio -vmargs
-Djboss.discovery.directory.url=http://localhost:8080/product-soa/site/target/site/devstudio-directory.xml
{code}
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
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Douglas Palmer <dpalmer(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
The latest suggestion is the one I think we should use. We should add jBPM5 to the SOA-P
tools as well.
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Currently:
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Remember, there are TWO Central Discovery Plugins: one for JBT and a second for JBDS.
There are also TWO update sites behind those discovery plugins: JBT SOA (with things like
SwitchYard) and JBDS SOA (without incubating projects).
So... @Len, I'm assuming your comments refer only to the JBDS Central and JBDS SOA
Tooling Update Site, not the JBT ones.
Max, meanwhile, seems adamant that we NOT use product branding in JBT or JBDS, and that we
use the same categories in both JBT and JBDS... so we'll need a different approach
there, eg., that we use "Business Rules" instead of BRMS.
And what of the jbpm5 question?
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Currently:
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I like the last set of screenshots above, with different screens for project and product.
Gets my vote!
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Currently:
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I need approval from On High to add jbpm5 to the SOA-P bucket rather than having jbpm3 in
there and jbpm5 in the BRMS bucket.
Please throw some +1s in this JIRA and I'll make it so.
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Currently:
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Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Len - BRMS is a product name - so no, that is not what it would be.
"Business Rules" was my suggestion for general category name for it.
Nick, and yes there are two one for JBT and JBDS and the suggestion is we use the same
category names to avoid having confusion.
About jbpm5 I think this issue has outgrown its ability to handle actual content
questions. Open a new for that and ask Doug to work on that ?
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Currently:
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Currently:
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Julian Coleman <jcoleman(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
I agree - that last set of screenshots above is good. What do we need to do to make this
happen?
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Currently:
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
1. Declare when you want to code freeze for your first Beta release. Core is planning our
code freeze THIS FRIDAY April 27. Maybe you want to piggy-back onto that?
2. Code freeze, and branch your code so you can build the upcoming release from a
different set of bits from trunk. Build code from _stable_branch jobs instead of _trunk
jobs. (Think "release" instead of "CI", if that helps.)
3. Publish aggregate site to devstudio.jboss.com. Add your discovery plugin to this file:
https://devstudio.jboss.com/updates/5.0/devstudio-directory.xml. Note that doing this is
scripted for ease of use:
https://svn.jboss.org/repos/devstudio/trunk/documentation/Release_Guide/2...
4. Wait 30 mins for changes to wallace to replicate to devstudio.jboss.com
5. Fire up JBDS Beta2 (or later). Observe that JBoss Central now includes your two new
connectors for SOA-P and BRMS.
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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To avoid further confusion, I'm going to close this and have opened to subtasks:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112: should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and
Business Rules connectors / categories?
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2113: relabel categories / connectors in Central and
Update sites
Let's move the more focussed discussions there.
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Currently:
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BTW, this is how the features appear on the JBDS SOA Update site
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Similar categories appear for JBT SOA aggregate site (which may or may not ever be
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Currently:
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okey so lets just reiterate what we agreed on (and which as I read it is the same thing
Ken J. says):
There should not be any mention of specific product platforms in the categories, since
product names changes, product content changes and users perception changes/are
different.
We do not have any mention of Project vs Product in marketing nor UI thus it is not really
useful for grouping either.
We do have a mention of JBoss Community when we talk about JBoss AS support and we do have
JBoss Enterprise Application Platform (fully spelt out) for the server adapter - but that
is the only difference.
Thus lets keep product/project and name mangling out of the categories and just leave them
to be names about what they are useful for, i.e. "SOA and Data services
tooling", "Business Rules" etc.
And I suggest we use the same exact categories/names in both JBT and JBDS since they are
meant to be the exact same groupings/content. Just that the number of plugins/features in
group might vary wether it is JBT or JBDS central showing it.
Modeshape is though one that "falls outside" since this is something useful for
anyone using JCR, such as portal, soa or even for non-app server users.
Ken's grouping of it is fine by me - its though problematic it is only built/released
when SOA product is doing builds.
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
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Ken Johnson <kejohnso(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Comments on a few of the above entries:
First on the JBDS SOA Update site above.
1. I don't think "SOA-P" means anything to customers. It's a very
internal term. Suggest simply "SOA" since we've done away with the old
collection named with "SOA"
2. The ModeShape tools go under JBoss Data Servcies rather than SOA
Second on the most recent screenshots above. They look good and are less confusing.
Couple points:
1. Do you think users get the difference between "Project Tooling" and
"Product Tooling". Assuming your eyes pick up the subtle wording, does that
carry significant meaning to users? Should it be "Community Project Tooling"
and "Product Tooling" or a similar distinction? Or maybe it's "JBoss
Tooling by Project" vs "JBoss Tools by Product"? Maybe splitting hairs a
bit.
2. Under Product we have two products SOA-P and BRMS. There are actually 3 products: SOA
Platform, Data Services Platform and BRMS. Rather than creating a new product category,
perhaps rename the "SOA-P Tooling" to "SOA and Data Services Tooling".
Since Data Services is a superset this makes more sense than breaking them out. Here the
Teiid and ModeShape tools would be under "SOA and Data Services Tooling" with
ESB, jBPM 3, BPEL, etc.
Thoughts?
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Currently:
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Do you think users get the difference between "Project
Tooling" and "Product Tooling".
Well, if they install JBoss Tools, they'll see the SOA contributions to Central
labelled "Project Tooling". If they install JBDS, they'll see "Product
Tooling". It's unlikely they'll see both buckets in the same UI, since the
plan is to include only individual projects in JBT and the grouped product-like bundles in
JBDS.
There are actually 3 products
I'm good with relabelling the 2 categories in JBDS Central or adding a third,
massaging the contents of the categories, etc. It's a minimal amount of work to make
whatever changes you feel provide the best, clearest choices for customers. All I need is
that you all agree on what you want, and explicit instructions on what to change, eg.,
* [JBDS Updates] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match update site)
* [JBDS Updates] move Modeshape into JBoss Data Services and also include in "SOA and
Data Services Tooling" category (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] add jbpm5 to SOA and Data Services Tooling" category (?)
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Currently:
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Len DiMaggio <ldimaggi(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Just to re-re-re-cap
1) We will end up with these (2) choices:
* SOA and Data Services Tooling
* BRMS Tooling
2) And - these same titles will be used in both JBoss Central and the update site.
Correct?
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Currently:
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Remember, there are TWO Central Discovery Plugins: one for JBT and a second for JBDS.
There are also TWO update sites behind those discovery plugins: JBT SOA (with things like
SwitchYard) and JBDS SOA (without incubating projects).
So... @Len, I'm assuming your comments refer only to the JBDS Central and JBDS SOA
Tooling Update Site, not the JBT ones.
Max, meanwhile, seems adamant that we NOT use product branding in JBT or JBDS, and that we
use the same categories in both JBT and JBDS... so we'll need a different approach
there, eg., that we use "Business Rules" instead of BRMS.
And what of the jbpm5 question?
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Currently:
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To avoid further confusion, I'm going to close this and have opened to subtasks:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112: should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and
Business Rules connectors / categories?
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2113: relabel categories / connectors in Central and
Update sites
Let's move the more focussed discussions there.
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Currently:
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Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Len - BRMS is a product name - so no, that is not what it would be.
"Business Rules" was my suggestion for general category name for it.
Nick, and yes there are two one for JBT and JBDS and the suggestion is we use the same
category names to avoid having confusion.
About jbpm5 I think this issue has outgrown its ability to handle actual content
questions. Open a new for that and ask Doug to work on that ?
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Currently:
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Rick Wagner <rwagner(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
I find it a little confusing-- is that dividing line after the first 2 items meant to
divide by 'Enterprise vs. Community' or 'Get the package vs. Ala-carte'?
Both seem to be true. The top 2 categories (SOA and BRMS) are our 'Enterprise'
offerings. The bottom categories are 'Community' or ambiguous.
But the top 2 could also be taken as aggregations, while the bottom ones are singletons
you can pick from....
I'd think this could be confusing. Could we have some description 'for Enterprise
users', 'for Community users', or something similar?
Thanks,
Rick)
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New approach: adds mising jBPM5, and splits "abridged" into two categories for
SOA-P and BRMS:
!jbds-central-soa-new-approach-000.png!
Also added tooltips for the two all-in-ones, into which we can put a screengrab
(320x240px) and some descriptive text:
!jbds-central-soa-new-approach-001.png!)
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Currently:
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Aren't we also shipping jBPM5 with SOA-P 5.3?)
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The menu above consists of, as you say, Prix Fixe options followed by A La Carte options.
Users can install individual components (unless we remove those choices), or can pick one
of two "normal use case" buckets of functionality -- tooling for SOA-P or
tooling for BRMS.
Burr's asked that I relabel the top section. Not sure yet how to do so...
(2012-04-18 16:25:07) burr: For instance "All-inOne Install: Tools for use with JBoss
SOA runtimes" is the description above BRMS
(2012-04-18 16:25:10) burr: which is wrong
(2012-04-18 16:25:16) burr: we also have BRMS runtimes
(2012-04-18 16:25:45) burr: and a customer has to purchase either App, SOA or BRMS
platforms - with BRMS subject to a name change at some point in the future
I think the problem is that I've been calling "all the tools related to SOA
runtimes, be they from SOA-P or BRMS" by the name "SOA Tooling".
So, by that logic, there are two all-in-one / prix fixe options: SOA-P and BRMS.
But if my label "SOA Tooling" is misleading I can remove that in favour of
something less confusing.)
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To avoid further confusion, I'm going to close this and have opened to subtasks:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112: should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and
Business Rules connectors / categories?
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2113: relabel categories / connectors in Central and
Update sites
Let's move the more focussed discussions there.)
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Currently:
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@Len: not according to Burr's comment above:
Burr Sutter added a comment - 12/Apr/12 8:57 AM
> jBPM 3 (SOA-P 5.3) is different from jBPM 5 (BRMS 5.3))
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Currently:
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Ken Johnson <kejohnso(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Comments on a few of the above entries:
First on the JBDS SOA Update site above.
1. I don't think "SOA-P" means anything to customers. It's a very
internal term. Suggest simply "SOA" since we've done away with the old
collection named with "SOA"
2. The ModeShape tools go under JBoss Data Servcies rather than SOA
Second on the most recent screenshots above. They look good and are less confusing.
Couple points:
1. Do you think users get the difference between "Project Tooling" and
"Product Tooling". Assuming your eyes pick up the subtle wording, does that
carry significant meaning to users? Should it be "Community Project Tooling"
and "Product Tooling" or a similar distinction? Or maybe it's "JBoss
Tooling by Project" vs "JBoss Tools by Product"? Maybe splitting hairs a
bit.
2. Under Product we have two products SOA-P and BRMS. There are actually 3 products: SOA
Platform, Data Services Platform and BRMS. Rather than creating a new product category,
perhaps rename the "SOA-P Tooling" to "SOA and Data Services Tooling".
Since Data Services is a superset this makes more sense than breaking them out. Here the
Teiid and ModeShape tools would be under "SOA and Data Services Tooling" with
ESB, jBPM 3, BPEL, etc.
Thoughts?)
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Currently:
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BTW, this is how the features appear on the JBDS SOA Update site
!https://issues.jboss.org/secure/attachment/12353655/JBDS2078.snap.png!
Similar categories appear for JBT SOA aggregate site (which may or may not ever be
published to the community), as viewed in Eclipse from this URL:
http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/)
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Currently:
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Burr Sutter <bsutter(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Somebody in Westford is going to have to force the BRMS & SOA folks to pay attention.
If necessary, we can drop both from JBoss Central - leaving them with simple updatesites
only.)
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Currently:
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Somebody? We need names, faces, hands, and email addresses if this is going to happen. :)
As to their being dropped, they're already not in Central. They need to step up and
add themselves if/when they're ready to do so.)
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Currently:
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Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
okey so lets just reiterate what we agreed on (and which as I read it is the same thing
Ken J. says):
There should not be any mention of specific product platforms in the categories, since
product names changes, product content changes and users perception changes/are
different.
We do not have any mention of Project vs Product in marketing nor UI thus it is not really
useful for grouping either.
We do have a mention of JBoss Community when we talk about JBoss AS support and we do have
JBoss Enterprise Application Platform (fully spelt out) for the server adapter - but that
is the only difference.
Thus lets keep product/project and name mangling out of the categories and just leave them
to be names about what they are useful for, i.e. "SOA and Data services
tooling", "Business Rules" etc.
And I suggest we use the same exact categories/names in both JBT and JBDS since they are
meant to be the exact same groupings/content. Just that the number of plugins/features in
group might vary wether it is JBT or JBDS central showing it.
Modeshape is though one that "falls outside" since this is something useful for
anyone using JCR, such as portal, soa or even for non-app server users.
Ken's grouping of it is fine by me - its though problematic it is only built/released
when SOA product is doing builds.)
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Currently:
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Do you think users get the difference between "Project
Tooling" and "Product Tooling".
Well, if they install JBoss Tools, they'll see the SOA contributions to Central
labelled "Project Tooling". If they install JBDS, they'll see "Product
Tooling". It's unlikely they'll see both buckets in the same UI, since the
plan is to include only individual projects in JBT and the grouped product-like bundles in
JBDS.
There are actually 3 products
I'm good with relabelling the 2 categories in JBDS Central or adding a third,
massaging the contents of the categories, etc. It's a minimal amount of work to make
whatever changes you feel provide the best, clearest choices for customers. All I need is
that you all agree on what you want, and explicit instructions on what to change, eg.,
* [JBDS Updates] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match update site)
* [JBDS Updates] move Modeshape into JBoss Data Services and also include in "SOA and
Data Services Tooling" category (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] add jbpm5 to SOA and Data Services Tooling" category (?))
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Currently:
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New suggestion:
For JBT, list projects for individual install:
!eclipse37jee-jbosstools-soa-tooling-site.png!
For JBDS, list product-related bundles of features for grouped install:
!jbds5-jbds-soa-tooling-site.png!
Note that we could also have BOTH contributions in the same site, so that the JBDS Central
site could include BOTH the products and the projects in the same UI.)
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Currently:
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To generate the above screenshots:
{code}
# tru is jbosstools/trunk local svn checkout folder
alias httpd='sudo /opt/nanohttpd/run -d ${HOME}/tru -p 8081'; httpd
cd ~/tru/build/aggregate/soa-site; mvn clean install -Dcollect.zips.skip
./eclipse -vmargs
-Djboss.discovery.directory.url=http://localhost:8081/build/aggregate/soa-site/site/target/site/jbosstools-directory.xml
{code}
{code}
# truu is devstudio/trunk local svn checkout folder
alias httpdd='sudo /opt/nanohttpd/run -d ${HOME}/truu -p 8080'; httpdd
cd ~/truu/product-soa; mvn clean install
./jbdevstudio -vmargs
-Djboss.discovery.directory.url=http://localhost:8080/product-soa/site/target/site/devstudio-directory.xml
{code})
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Currently:
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Remember, there are TWO Central Discovery Plugins: one for JBT and a second for JBDS.
There are also TWO update sites behind those discovery plugins: JBT SOA (with things like
SwitchYard) and JBDS SOA (without incubating projects).
So... @Len, I'm assuming your comments refer only to the JBDS Central and JBDS SOA
Tooling Update Site, not the JBT ones.
Max, meanwhile, seems adamant that we NOT use product branding in JBT or JBDS, and that we
use the same categories in both JBT and JBDS... so we'll need a different approach
there, eg., that we use "Business Rules" instead of BRMS.
And what of the jbpm5 question?)
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Just to re-re-re-cap
1) We will end up with these (2) choices:
* SOA and Data Services Tooling
* BRMS Tooling
2) And - these same titles will be used in both JBoss Central and the update site.
Correct?)
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Currently:
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The latest suggestion is the one I think we should use. We should add jBPM5 to the SOA-P
tools as well.)
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Currently:
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I like the last set of screenshots above, with different screens for project and product.
Gets my vote!)
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
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Len - BRMS is a product name - so no, that is not what it would be.
"Business Rules" was my suggestion for general category name for it.
Nick, and yes there are two one for JBT and JBDS and the suggestion is we use the same
category names to avoid having confusion.
About jbpm5 I think this issue has outgrown its ability to handle actual content
questions. Open a new for that and ask Doug to work on that ?)
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I need approval from On High to add jbpm5 to the SOA-P bucket rather than having jbpm3 in
there and jbpm5 in the BRMS bucket.
Please throw some +1s in this JIRA and I'll make it so.)
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Currently:
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Julian Coleman <jcoleman(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
I agree - that last set of screenshots above is good. What do we need to do to make this
happen?)
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Currently:
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
To avoid further confusion, I'm going to close this and have opened to subtasks:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112: should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and
Business Rules connectors / categories?
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2113: relabel categories / connectors in Central and
Update sites
Let's move the more focussed discussions there.)
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
1. Declare when you want to code freeze for your first Beta release. Core is planning our
code freeze THIS FRIDAY April 27. Maybe you want to piggy-back onto that?
2. Code freeze, and branch your code so you can build the upcoming release from a
different set of bits from trunk. Build code from _stable_branch jobs instead of _trunk
jobs. (Think "release" instead of "CI", if that helps.)
3. Publish aggregate site to devstudio.jboss.com. Add your discovery plugin to this file:
https://devstudio.jboss.com/updates/5.0/devstudio-directory.xml. Note that doing this is
scripted for ease of use:
https://svn.jboss.org/repos/devstudio/trunk/documentation/Release_Guide/2...
4. Wait 30 mins for changes to wallace to replicate to devstudio.jboss.com
5. Fire up JBDS Beta2 (or later). Observe that JBoss Central now includes your two new
connectors for SOA-P and BRMS.)
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Currently:
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BTW, this is how the features appear on the JBDS SOA Update site
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Similar categories appear for JBT SOA aggregate site (which may or may not ever be
published to the community), as viewed in Eclipse from this URL:
http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/nightly/soa-tooling/trunk/)
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Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
okey so lets just reiterate what we agreed on (and which as I read it is the same thing
Ken J. says):
There should not be any mention of specific product platforms in the categories, since
product names changes, product content changes and users perception changes/are
different.
We do not have any mention of Project vs Product in marketing nor UI thus it is not really
useful for grouping either.
We do have a mention of JBoss Community when we talk about JBoss AS support and we do have
JBoss Enterprise Application Platform (fully spelt out) for the server adapter - but that
is the only difference.
Thus lets keep product/project and name mangling out of the categories and just leave them
to be names about what they are useful for, i.e. "SOA and Data services
tooling", "Business Rules" etc.
And I suggest we use the same exact categories/names in both JBT and JBDS since they are
meant to be the exact same groupings/content. Just that the number of plugins/features in
group might vary wether it is JBT or JBDS central showing it.
Modeshape is though one that "falls outside" since this is something useful for
anyone using JCR, such as portal, soa or even for non-app server users.
Ken's grouping of it is fine by me - its though problematic it is only built/released
when SOA product is doing builds.)
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Currently:
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Ken Johnson <kejohnso(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Comments on a few of the above entries:
First on the JBDS SOA Update site above.
1. I don't think "SOA-P" means anything to customers. It's a very
internal term. Suggest simply "SOA" since we've done away with the old
collection named with "SOA"
2. The ModeShape tools go under JBoss Data Servcies rather than SOA
Second on the most recent screenshots above. They look good and are less confusing.
Couple points:
1. Do you think users get the difference between "Project Tooling" and
"Product Tooling". Assuming your eyes pick up the subtle wording, does that
carry significant meaning to users? Should it be "Community Project Tooling"
and "Product Tooling" or a similar distinction? Or maybe it's "JBoss
Tooling by Project" vs "JBoss Tools by Product"? Maybe splitting hairs a
bit.
2. Under Product we have two products SOA-P and BRMS. There are actually 3 products: SOA
Platform, Data Services Platform and BRMS. Rather than creating a new product category,
perhaps rename the "SOA-P Tooling" to "SOA and Data Services Tooling".
Since Data Services is a superset this makes more sense than breaking them out. Here the
Teiid and ModeShape tools would be under "SOA and Data Services Tooling" with
ESB, jBPM 3, BPEL, etc.
Thoughts?)
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Currently:
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Do you think users get the difference between "Project
Tooling" and "Product Tooling".
Well, if they install JBoss Tools, they'll see the SOA contributions to Central
labelled "Project Tooling". If they install JBDS, they'll see "Product
Tooling". It's unlikely they'll see both buckets in the same UI, since the
plan is to include only individual projects in JBT and the grouped product-like bundles in
JBDS.
There are actually 3 products
I'm good with relabelling the 2 categories in JBDS Central or adding a third,
massaging the contents of the categories, etc. It's a minimal amount of work to make
whatever changes you feel provide the best, clearest choices for customers. All I need is
that you all agree on what you want, and explicit instructions on what to change, eg.,
* [JBDS Updates] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] relabel "SOA-P Tooling" category to "SOA and Data Services
Tooling" (to match update site)
* [JBDS Updates] move Modeshape into JBoss Data Services and also include in "SOA and
Data Services Tooling" category (to match Central)
* [JBDS Central] add jbpm5 to SOA and Data Services Tooling" category (?))
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Currently:
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Len DiMaggio <ldimaggi(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Just to re-re-re-cap
1) We will end up with these (2) choices:
* SOA and Data Services Tooling
* BRMS Tooling
2) And - these same titles will be used in both JBoss Central and the update site.
Correct?)
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Currently:
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Len - BRMS is a product name - so no, that is not what it would be.
"Business Rules" was my suggestion for general category name for it.
Nick, and yes there are two one for JBT and JBDS and the suggestion is we use the same
category names to avoid having confusion.
About jbpm5 I think this issue has outgrown its ability to handle actual content
questions. Open a new for that and ask Doug to work on that ?)
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Currently:
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Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com> made a comment on jira JBDS-2046
Remember, there are TWO Central Discovery Plugins: one for JBT and a second for JBDS.
There are also TWO update sites behind those discovery plugins: JBT SOA (with things like
SwitchYard) and JBDS SOA (without incubating projects).
So... @Len, I'm assuming your comments refer only to the JBDS Central and JBDS SOA
Tooling Update Site, not the JBT ones.
Max, meanwhile, seems adamant that we NOT use product branding in JBT or JBDS, and that we
use the same categories in both JBT and JBDS... so we'll need a different approach
there, eg., that we use "Business Rules" instead of BRMS.
And what of the jbpm5 question?)
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Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Should jbpm5 be in BOTH categories / connectors?
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John Graham commented on JBDS-2112:
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Should jbpm5 be in BOTH categories / connectors?
jbpm5 should be only in the brms category.
> should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors / categories?
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> Key: JBDS-2112
> URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112
> Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
> Issue Type: Sub-task
> Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
> Components: SOA Tooling / Platform
> Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
> Reporter: Nick Boldt
> Assignee: John Graham
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> Currently:
> "SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
> "BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Nick Boldt closed JBDS-2112.
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Fix Version/s: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Resolution: Done
Per John, nothing to change here.
should jbpm5 be included in both SOA and Business Rules connectors /
categories?
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Key: JBDS-2112
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-2112
Project: Developer Studio (JBoss Developer Studio)
Issue Type: Sub-task
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: SOA Tooling / Platform
Affects Versions: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Reporter: Nick Boldt
Assignee: John Graham
Fix For: 5.0.0.Beta1-SOA
Currently:
"SOA-P Tooling" category includes jbpm3
"BRMS Tooling" category includes jbpm5
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Should jbpm5 be in BOTH categories / connectors?
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