Thomas, I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my little sample and the problem I mentioned and if not, if you might be able to help me this morning? I am not sure what I'm doing wrong on the wstools thing. I'm on AIM as 'staypufd2001' or I can get oh yahoo also. If I can get by that then I'll be able to have the first two demos done by this weekend and some updated docs. I know it might be something incredibly easy but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong really. I just want to get by this and learn what I did wrong, and write it up and include it in the docs I'm writing so others don't hit it as well. It could be something as dumb as the version I'm using or I'm just doing something totally wrong, I just want to get by it. Thanks, Sam