That is not expected.  We should create a disk / memory backed copy that will live as long as the query is open.

 You may have found a code path though were that is inhibiting the full copying and thus seeing the already removed exception.

 Again that is not expected.  What should happen is that the initial copy will happen, then the cast will truncate the lob value.

 No, that is really a separate consideration.  You are asking about having dynamic / unlimited length string values by default - that is dangerous from a memory management perspective.

The "already removed" exception in case of copyLobs=true translator property for MSSQL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Key: TEIID-5969 URL: https://issues.redhat.com/browse/TEIID-5969 Project: Teiid Issue Type: Quality Risk Components: Query Engine Affects Versions: 13.1 Reporter: Dmitrii Pogorelov Assignee: Steven Hawkins Priority: Major We're getting the following exception: {code:java} 2020-06-10 16:01:45,326 WARN [org.teiid.PROCESSOR] (Worker21_QueryProcessorQueue272) 1bxj3NJqJLpO TEIID30020 Processing exception for request 1bxj3NJqJLpO.10 'TEIID30328 Unable to evaluate convert(ms_dwh.v1.expr1, string): TEIID30384 Error while evaluating function convert'. Originally ExpressionEvaluationException 'already removed' FileStore.java:156. Enable more detailed logging to see the entire stacktrace. {code} in the case of MSSQL connector and copyLobs=true in its translator property. After debugging I discovered that the error occurred actually because of not enough value in MAX_LOB_MEMORY_BYTES which is used in LobManager. The variable depends on  org.teiid.maxStringLength which is set usually to 4000 by default. But if someone put a data with text field type in MSSQL having more than, say, 20000 symbols then the field won't be read by Teiid at all, Teiid will just throw out the exception mentioned above. Will it be possible to improve LobManager so that it can read Text data dynamically increasing needed memory for the process? Otherwise even setting the org.teiid.maxStringLength to 20000 Teiid can raise the exception because of a Text data with length more than 20000 symbols.   Steps to reproduce: # create the v1 table in MSSQL: {code:java} CREATE TABLE [dbo].[v1](CREATE TABLE [dbo].[v1]( [expr1] [text] NULL, [b] [int] NULL) ON [PRIMARY] TEXTIMAGE_ON [PRIMARY] {code} 2. insert in the table the following data (I did it via standard MSSQL Server Management Studio): {code:java} insert into test_dwh.dbo.v1 values (replicate(convert(varchar(max),'a'), 20000), 1) ; {code} 3. add MSSQL as a source to Teiid: {code:java} <datasource jndi-name="java:/mssql-test-dwh" pool-name="mssql-test-dwh" enabled="true" use-java-context="true"> <connection-url>jdbc:sqlserver://localhost:1433;databaseName=test_dwh</connection-url> <driver-class&amp;gt;com.microsoft.sqlserver.jdbc.SQLServerDriver</driver-class&amp;gt; <driver>com.microsoft.sqlserver</driver> <new-connection-sql>SET ANSI_WARNINGS OFF</new-connection-sql> <pool> <min-pool-size>2</min-pool-size> <max-pool-size>70</max-pool-size> </pool> <security> <user-name>*****</user-name> <password>*****</password> </security> <validation> <check-valid-connection-sql>select 1</check-valid-connection-sql> </validation> <timeout> <blocking-timeout-millis>120000</blocking-timeout-millis> <idle-timeout-minutes>5</idle-timeout-minutes> </timeout> </datasource>{code} 4. add ms model: {code:java} <model name="ms_dwh"> <property name="importer.useFullSchemaName" value="false"/> <property name="importer.tableTypes" value="TABLE,VIEW"/> <property name="importer.importKeys" value="false"/> <property name="importer.schemaPattern" value="dbo"/> <source name="dwh_ms" translator-name="mySqlserver" connection-jndi-name="java:/mssql-test-dwh"/> </model>{code} 5. add mySqlserver translator: {code:java} <translator name="mySqlserver" type="sqlserver"> <property name="SupportsNativeQueries" value="true"/> <property name="copyLobs" value="true"/> </translator> {code} 6. try to run the following query: {code:java} select cast(expr1 as string) from ms_dwh.v1 ;; {code}