Re: [cdi-dev] [PROPOSAL] further align CDI and EJB

Am 13.11.2015 um 09:49 schrieb Sven Linstaedt <sven.linstaedt(a)gmail.com&gt;: Well, that was my point of splitting out these metadata scanning and processing into an independent spec, which CDI will depend on and maybe EJB in some future too, if their EG adopts it. As there is no global inter-spec coordination for - Mark called it - "EE umbrella" one can simply have a chat with them and keep the fingers crossed. br, Sven 2015-11-12 17:00 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg(a)yahoo.de&gt;: > So why wouldn’t the entire EE ecosystem be described at the EE level? Perfectly nailed. But here is the problem: the EE umbrella does NOT do code. It does NOT provide an own TCK. It just packages together the other specs (and sometimes imposes restrictions and additional features on it). LieGrue, strub > Am 12.11.2015 um 13:51 schrieb John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com&gt;: > > Splitting out into more specs probably won't solve the issue. My honest opinion is that neither CDI nor EJB should describe how the other spec works. The way JAX-RS, Bean Val, JMS describe it makes more sense, IF CDI is available, these additional things occur. > > The probably is that CDI has already describe certain aspects about EJB. Because of that, its likely ours forever. > > The way most of these other services operate, it feels like they're all app server level integrations. So why wouldn't the entire EE ecosystem be described at the EE level? > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:46 AM Antoine Sabot-Durand <antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; wrote: > From my POV problems are: > > - EJB spec totally ignore CDI (it's CDI that does all the job of EJB integration) > - EJB spec won't be reopened except for minor MR > - I launched the proposition for a new spec based on our AnnotatedType meta model when we were discussing about config spec. I didn't have enough support from Red Hat and EG so I put it back in my drawer. > > Antoine > > Le jeu. 12 nov. 2015 à 11:17, Tomas Remes <tremes(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : > > I think nothing will happen in EJB spec so I would not really rely on some future collaboration. Another case is this classpath scanning and AnnotatedType/PAT stuff. This sounds to me like quite interesting idea at least at first glance.:) But the question is: Isn't it late to propose any new JSR for upcoming EE 8? I guess it is so this seems to me bit out of scope for CDI 2.x... maybe CDI 3?:) > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sven Linstaedt" <sven.linstaedt(a)gmail.com&gt; > To: "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rmannibucau(a)gmail.com&gt; > Cc: "cdi-dev" <cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:45:22 AM > Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] [PROPOSAL] further align CDI and EJB > > +1 for splitting the classpath scanning and all AnnotatedXXX / ProcessAnnotatedType type parsing/overriding from the CDI in an own spec, so other specs (not only EJB) may rely on it. > > 2015-11-11 20:54 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < rmannibucau(a)gmail.com > : > > > > Hi Mark, > > few points on that topic: > > - let the EJB container reuse AnnotatedType (ie even add @Stateless through an Extension): +1 > - veto an EJB as a whole and not only in CDI side - ie @Schedule is ignored on EJB side of thing: I'm quite mitigated. Looks tempting but it would break the compatibility with extsing apps I fear since veto is 100% a CDI thing today. > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau | Blog | Github | LinkedIn | Tomitriber > > 2015-11-11 11:47 GMT-08:00 Mark Struberg < struberg(a)yahoo.de > : > > > Hi! > > We already do a decent amount of ‚side-by-side‘ handling in EJB and CDI. But there are still many aready where we could really move together much closer. > > E.g. the CDI spec defines that @Vetoed on EJBs must get accounted by the EJB container. But what happens with ProcessAnnotatedType#veto(). This one is not defined that clearly I fear. > > What if we (of course together with the EJB spec group) define that the EJB container must create the EJBs according to the effective AnnotatedType coming out after ProcessAnnotatedType? This would define that EJBs can also get modified via CDI Extensions. Some container do that already. > The benefit of explicitly writing this down would obviously be that we would allow EJB to fully utilize the power of CDI Extensions in a portable way. > > Any objections, any ideas, any howtos? > > Let the ideas roll ;) > > LieGrue, > strub > _______________________________________________ > cdi-dev mailing list > cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > > Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 ( http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html ). 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