In my recent video series I have two videos that describe Forge - and a Hibernate Tools interlude in-between, I wish to know if I have demo'd Forge well - did I highlight forge's best features? 4. Forge Introduction in JBoss Developer Studio 5 http://www.screencast.com/t/olxrVyPy5 http://vimeo.com/39608223 Forge is JBoss's rapid application development tool. A command line based tool that is embedded in JBoss Developer Studio 5. Run a whole script of commands to render a complete application. 5. Hibernate Tools for DB Reverse Engineering http://www.screencast.com/t/x6lcG2BP8jn5 http://vimeo.com/39608294 Hibernate Tools have been part of JBoss Developer Studio for a long time - now they are integrated with Dali - and you can use Dali's JPA Generate Entities from Tables feature. This video walks you through how to setup the Hibernate Configuration and the JBDC connection to allow for JPA entity generation. Sakila H2 Database: https://github.com/maxandersen/sakila-h2 6. Forge for DB Reverse Engineering with CRUD http://www.screencast.com/t/aSym9aul5 http://vimeo.com/39608326 Forge also has a Hibernate Tools plugin that allows it to analyze a database schema and produce JPA entity classes. Then Forge can use its scaffolding feature to generate JSF2 Create, Read, Update and Delete (CRUD) user interfaces. _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

Hi Burr, I absolutely like your presentations, they are fast, dense, full of sound well established information - makes one eager to have a go with whatever you talk about :-) Your three presentations - putting JBoss Tools and Forge side by side - made me think about why I jumped when I first saw Forge. We all have seen CRUD webapp generators (remember Middlegen?), I havent seen one yet, where I didnt reach the point of no return, when you have to know _very_ much about the inner workings to realize a simple thing. For me the question is not: can I do the same as with all those big GUIs, they are there already. The question is: where does it lead off? - modern: (dont just edit CDI, it _is_ CDI) incorporates well established frameworks, w/o lock in - versatile: Testing, multi server, multi platform (Faces, aerogear..) - extensible (need a functionality? write a plugin using forge!) Regards, Thomas Am 03.04.2012 14:21, schrieb Burr Sutter: > In my recent video series I have two videos that describe Forge - and a Hibernate Tools interlude in-between, I wish to know if I have demo'd Forge well - did I highlight forge's best features? >

"This is exactly where I hope Forge will *not* go."

wrote:

> One thing I was planning on discussing with Lincoln and the Forge roadmap is around the idea of "Forge as a 4GL" - at the moment it feels mostly like a static code generator - which has the problem of schema changes. But Forge as a 4GL could be more responsive, almost "runtime" code generation. More like what you get in the Rails world. :-) This is exactly where I hope Forge will *not* go. Mixing up the toolside with the runtime side is what tech like Spring Roo does and its my opinion an utter mess and confusion and very hard tech lock-in. But Forge could be great in using stuff like MetaWidget on runtime side, complete hibernate tools support for partial reverse engineering and have the code generation be able to handle incremental changes with something like jmerge would be able to provide alot of bang for the buck. On runtime side it could be interesting if a runtime framework could find a good balance between runtime generation and still being static enough to be useful with CDI and similar frameworks which can be validated/inspected much easier than pure runtime stuff like Roo or Rails. /max _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

> One thing I was planning on discussing with Lincoln and the Forge roadmap is around the idea of "Forge as a 4GL" - at the moment it feels mostly like a static code generator - which has the problem of schema changes. But Forge as a 4GL could be more responsive, almost "runtime" code generation. More like what you get in the Rails world. :-) This is exactly where I hope Forge will *not* go.

Well let's just say it is up for future discussion :-)

In one set of meetings I referred to "drag car" and "formula 1" - we need to provide both - getting started and staying the crooked course. Perhaps that is not all Forge+plug-ins...but it is something I want to keep thinking about. F1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97rrME9eQHA Drag - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDP7Pty8Qnw On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Keith Babo wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > >> >>> One thing I was planning on discussing with Lincoln and the Forge roadmap is around the idea of "Forge as a 4GL" - at the moment it feels mostly like a static code generator - which has the problem of schema changes. But Forge as a 4GL could be more responsive, almost "runtime" code generation. More like what you get in the Rails world. :-) >> >> This is exactly where I hope Forge will *not* go. > > Yep. I like Forge a lot for getting up and going. It's quite good at that and there's a clear need for it. IMHO, Forge as a 4GL would be really tough to pull off and would take users' attention off of what Forge is best at. > > > > _______________________________________________ > forge-dev mailing list > forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev

But Forge could be great in using stuff like MetaWidget on runtime side, complete hibernate tools support for partial reverse engineering and have the code generation be able to handle incremental changes with something like jmerge would be able to provide alot of bang for the buck.

Nice job Burr. In addition to the technical content, what makes these videos work well is that they have good sound quality. Lincoln and I were just discussing the other day that the quality of the sound can really make or break a video. So I appreciate that extra bit of attention. -Dan On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 08:21, Burr Sutter <bsutter(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: In my recent video series I have two videos that describe Forge - and a Hibernate Tools interlude in-between, I wish to know if I have demo'd Forge well - did I highlight forge's best features? 4. Forge Introduction in JBoss Developer Studio 5 http://www.screencast.com/t/olxrVyPy5 http://vimeo.com/39608223 Forge is JBoss's rapid application development tool. A command line based tool that is embedded in JBoss Developer Studio 5. Run a whole script of commands to render a complete application. 5. Hibernate Tools for DB Reverse Engineering http://www.screencast.com/t/x6lcG2BP8jn5 http://vimeo.com/39608294 Hibernate Tools have been part of JBoss Developer Studio for a long time - now they are integrated with Dali - and you can use Dali's JPA Generate Entities from Tables feature. This video walks you through how to setup the Hibernate Configuration and the JBDC connection to allow for JPA entity generation. Sakila H2 Database: https://github.com/maxandersen/sakila-h2 6. Forge for DB Reverse Engineering with CRUD http://www.screencast.com/t/aSym9aul5 http://vimeo.com/39608326 Forge also has a Hibernate Tools plugin that allows it to analyze a database schema and produce JPA entity classes. Then Forge can use its scaffolding feature to generate JSF2 Create, Read, Update and Delete (CRUD) user interfaces. _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev -- Dan Allen Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction _______________________________________________ forge-dev mailing list forge-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev