Jonathan Prindiville wrote: I'm not looking for complexity, I'm looking for coverage. For RichFaces, AJAX4JSF, and Seam, I think we should start with some app that covers the most widely-used features of each. As we go along, we use JSFUnit to do test-driven development of the app. After you get familiar with everything, I'll leave it up to you to determine what the widely-used features are. Guessing works. But asking the community or the developers might be better. It just depends on how much time you want to spend on that phase. BTW, I doubt that Seam Remoting falls into the "widely used" category, but I could be wrong about that. So I think that should narrow it down for these three technologies. I'll also leave it to you to determine how much time it will take. This is the kind of project that could last a few months to a few years depending on how much you want to throw in. :-) My problem with IRC is that it creates pockets of unshared knowledge. Discussions should be as open as possible, which is why I prefer email lists. With email lists, subscribers never miss a message and the audience tends to be broader, which leads to more informed decisions. The only advantage I see to IRC is that it is a faster medium. But email is almost always "fast enough". I could be convinced otherwise, but that's my current thinking. Stan P.S. If you really want/need a quick, private conversation with me, I'm on AIM and Skype. AIM: stansilver (note the missing "t") Skype: stansilvert