Hey Alexander -
Thanks for the late feedback.
Comments inline..
On 10/1/10 1:22 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
I disagree with suggested proposal. There are two pitfalls:
a) additional parameter just increases size of generated html code and
number of request parameters. JSF forms always contain viewId parameter,
so adding encoded token to that field will have minimal side effects.
That token should be checked by StateManager before restoring view.
True - that JSF
includes View state that at a bare minimum provides basic
CSRF protection. It is harder to guess the view state to get into a JSF app
if client side state saving is chosen. For server side state saving -
it's a bit easier.
Adding the extra field (which by the way is how Seam does it) enhances
the protection.
b) URL parameter does not make sense for forms, but more important
for
'GET' access. To make this parameter compatible with portal environment,
it can be passed trough ExternalContext.encodeNamespace method ( while I
think that it should be portal vendor concern, where secure token has to
protect whole portal page ).
No - it does not make sense for forms. This proposal
allows various
configuration options.
c) For token encoded as url parameter this proposal protects whole
application, so no one can either got logged in to protected site
because of circular dependencies: to open login page, visitor has to
have secure token, which one he can get only from JSF login page...
There should be per-page security configuration.
True, it does. But we chose this
option to have it implicitly done.
On 09/30/2010 07:59 PM, Roger Kitain wrote:
> Folks -
>
> I have combined the previous two proposals into one based on valuable
> feed back from
> Kito Mann and Neil Griffin:
>
> On 9/27/10 5:12 PM, Kito Mann wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Roger Kitain<roger.kitain(a)oracle.com
>> <mailto:roger.kitain@oracle.com>> wrote:
>>
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>> There are two proposals for enhancing CSRF attacks in JSF. We
>> need to pick one.
>>
>>
>> Why? I think it's actually safer to allow both:
>>
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Cross-Site_Request_Forgery_%28CSRF%29_Prev....
>> According to this, appending the token works better when you can't
>> guarantee that a server-side operation is occurring only through POST.
>> Especially with the new capabilities of JSF 2 for parsing view
>> parameters, I don't think we can make this guarantee.
>>
>> Also, the rewriting approach is what they're using for the generic
>> filter in Tomcat 7:
>>
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Cross-Site_Request_Forgery_%28CSRF%29_Prev....
>> I was talking to Mark Thomas, the guy working on this feature, about
>> this at JavaOne. As you can see, it doesn't even look like they're
>> using the hidden field approach (probably because it'd be very hard to
>> implement in a generic fashion).
>>
>> So, I think we should provide both features, but give the users to
>> turn off either algorithm, with a context parameter such as:
>>
>> javax.faces.CSRF_ALGORITHM=NONE | FORM | URL | BOTH (or ALL)
>>
> On 9/21/10 4:20 PM, Neil Griffin wrote:
>> #1 is probably not compatible with portlets. Portals are in full
>> control of creation of URLs in general, and it is not possible to
>> simply append "&javax.faces.Token=XYZ" to a portal's ActionURL
and
>> expect it to work.
>>
>> #2 is compatible with portlets, but it would be best to have the
>> hidden field namespaced. Otherwise it would be like
>> javax.faces.VIEW_ID which is not namespaced, and can cause problems in
>> portals.
>> Neil
> ==============================================
>
> This proposal does the following:
>
> - Token is generated on the server consisting (minimally) of a randomly
> generated "secret key" (stored in session). The token can be generated
> upon session creation, or, at the time the token hidden field and/or
> token Url parameter is produced.
>
> - Standard context parameter javax.faces.CSRF_ALGORITHM controls where the
> token is produced by the following values:
> a. "form" : token is produced as the value of the hidden field with
the name
> <form client id>:javax.faces.Token where<form client id> is
the
> enclosing form's client identifier (produced with getClientId) - i.e.
> the hidden field is namespaced using the form's client identifier.
> b. "url" : token is produced and appended as a parameter to the
form's
> action Url with the same name as in [a].
> c. "all" : token is produced as in [a] *and* [b]
> d. "none" : no token is produced
> The default is [a] "form".
>
> - After render time, a subsequent action will send the token to the server.
> - Restore View Phase processing compares the incoming token request parameter
> value with the token value generated from the secret key in the session.
>
> Spec Document Modifications:
>
> Section 7.5.1:
>
> getActionURL:
>
> The returned URL must contain the
> parameter with a name consisting of the form's fully namespaced
> client identifier, the NamingContainer.SEPARATOR_CHAR and the constant
> defined by ResponseStateManager.VIEW_TOKEN_PARAM,
> if the configuration option javax.faces.CSRF_ALGORITHM
> is set to "url" or "all". The value of this parameter, known
> as the "token value" must be a cryptographically produced random generated
> value (known as the "secret key") retrieved from the session. If the
> "secret key" does not already exist in the session, create the random
value
> and store it in the session. Implementations may choose to produce a more
> complex token value by combining the random "secret key" with other
values.
>
>
> Section 2.2.1
>
> "If the value of the configuration option javax.faces.CSRF_ALGORITHM
> is not "none" verify the "javax.faces.Token" request parameter
value is
> the same as the token value generated from the "secret key" stored in
the
> session. If the values do not match, throw a meaningful exception.
> The exception message must not include the token value."
>
> Standard RenderKit Docs
>
> - Form Rendering
>
> Render a hidden field named javax.faces.Token using the
> ResponseStateManager.VIEW_TOKEN_PARAM constant if the configuration option
> javax.faces.CSRF_ALGORITHM is set to the key words "form" or
"all".
> The name must be namespaced with the enclosing form's client identifier. Render
> the value of this hidden field, known as the "token value", as a
cryptographically
> produced random generated value (known as the "secret key") retrieved from
the
> session. If the "secret key" does not already exist in the session, create
the random value and
> store it in the session. Implementations may choose to produce a more complex token
value by
> combining the random "secret key" with other values.
>
> Implementation Changes are attached to this issue:
>
> [1]
https://javaserverfaces-spec-public.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=869
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