I've taken the liberty of updating the JSF page on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces I don't know how many of you have read it, but it was atrocious: horrible grammar, entire paragraphs that added almost no value (or should have been included in a section for "details nobody needs to know,") and generally too much text that said too little. Notably, I removed the comparison to other frameworks because it was rather uninformative (save the .net version) These features can be pulled back in, if we deem them to be accurate and beneficial to the audience (which on wikipedia, should be considered, "interested academics and business researchers",) so such a comparison may be valuable, but I assert that we should re-evaluate the manner in which is it done. The focus should be on JSF, not the other frameworks. (This section was almost as long as the rest of the article.) I've moved the focus from JSF1 to JSF2, while still keeping some references to JSF1 functionality. JSF2 is the new standard, and I've made that clear. Please feel free to add/update - it is our responsibility as the experts to make sure that the correct knowledge is on here. My focus is on clarity and understanding, but if someone more technical wants to elaborate on anything I've done, or add new information, go ahead, and I'll try to make sure it lays out well and flows intuitively. You can see all my changes here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JavaServer_Faces&action=his... <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JavaServer_Faces&action=his... Thanks, --- Lincoln Baxter, III http://ocpsoft.com http://scrumshark.com "Keep it Simple"

Good point Jason. As the primary link, could you make it this link: http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/index.jsp. Then, just create a short section about the EG's dedication to openness and the creation of the www.javaserverfaces.org root node. Because really, www.javaserverfaces.org is something created by the EG rather than Sun, who really owns the technology definition (I guess). -Dan On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Jason Lee <jason(a)steeplesoft.com&gt; wrote: >From the hip, I'm not sure The Powers That Be at Sun are going to like the JSF Home Page point to javaserverfaces.org and not the Sun page. Not sure how best to handle that, though. On 12/16/09 6:19 PM, Lincoln Baxter III wrote: > I've taken the liberty of updating the JSF page on > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces > > I don't know how many of you have read it, but it was > atrocious: horrible grammar, entire paragraphs that added > almost no value (or should have been included in a section > for "details nobody needs to know,") and generally too much > text that said too little. > > Notably, I removed the comparison to other frameworks > because it was rather uninformative (save the .net version) > These features can be pulled back in, if we deem them to be > accurate and beneficial to the audience (which on wikipedia, > should be considered, "interested academics and business > researchers",) so such a comparison may be valuable, but I > assert that we should re-evaluate the manner in which is it > done. The focus should be on JSF, not the other frameworks. > (This section was almost as long as the rest of the > article.) > > I've moved the focus from JSF1 to JSF2, while still keeping > some references to JSF1 functionality. JSF2 is the new > standard, and I've made that clear. > > Please feel free to add/update - it is our responsibility as > the experts to make sure that the correct knowledge is on > here. My focus is on clarity and understanding, but if > someone more technical wants to elaborate on anything I've > done, or add new information, go ahead, and I'll try to make > sure it lays out well and flows intuitively. > > You can see all my changes here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JavaServer_Faces&action=his... > > Thanks, > > --- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.com > http://scrumshark.com > "Keep it Simple" > > -- Jason Lee, SCJP President, Oklahoma City Java Users Group Senior Java Developer, Sun Microsystems http://blogs.steeplesoft.com -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen

>From the hip, I'm not sure The Powers That Be at Sun are going to like the JSF Home Page point to javaserverfaces.org and not the Sun page. Not sure how best to handle that, though. On 12/16/09 6:19 PM, Lincoln Baxter III wrote: > I've taken the liberty of updating the JSF page on > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces > > I don't know how many of you have read it, but it was atrocious: > horrible grammar, entire paragraphs that added almost no value (or > should have been included in a section for "details nobody needs to > know,") and generally too much text that said too little. > > Notably, I removed the comparison to other frameworks because it was > rather uninformative (save the .net version) These features can be > pulled back in, if we deem them to be accurate and beneficial to the > audience (which on wikipedia, should be considered, "interested > academics and business researchers",) so such a comparison may be > valuable, but I assert that we should re-evaluate the manner in > which is it done. The focus should be on JSF, not the other > frameworks. (This section was almost as long as the rest of the > article.) > > I've moved the focus from JSF1 to JSF2, while still keeping some > references to JSF1 functionality. JSF2 is the new standard, and I've > made that clear. > > Please feel free to add/update - it is our responsibility as the > experts to make sure that the correct knowledge is on here. My focus > is on clarity and understanding, but if someone more technical wants > to elaborate on anything I've done, or add new information, go > ahead, and I'll try to make sure it lays out well and flows > intuitively. > > You can see all my changes here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JavaServer_Faces&action=his... > > Thanks, > > --- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.com > http://scrumshark.com > "Keep it Simple" > > -- Jason Lee, SCJP President, Oklahoma City Java Users Group Senior Java Developer, Sun Microsystems http://blogs.steeplesoft.com

Lincoln, you are a champion. This task was in the back of my mind, but since we had so many different things going, I wasn't going to push it yet. Thanks for the initiative! I will put this on my list to review in the upcoming weeks. But don't wait for me ;) -Dan On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Lincoln Baxter III < lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I've taken the liberty of updating the JSF page on > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaServer_Faces > > I don't know how many of you have read it, but it was atrocious: horrible > grammar, entire paragraphs that added almost no value (or should have been > included in a section for "details nobody needs to know,") and generally too > much text that said too little. > > Notably, I removed the comparison to other frameworks because it was > rather uninformative (save the .net version) These features can be pulled > back in, if we deem them to be accurate and beneficial to the audience > (which on wikipedia, should be considered, "interested academics and > business researchers",) so such a comparison may be valuable, but I assert > that we should re-evaluate the manner in which is it done. The focus should > be on JSF, not the other frameworks. (This section was almost as long as the > rest of the article.) > > I've moved the focus from JSF1 to JSF2, while still keeping some > references to JSF1 functionality. JSF2 is the new standard, and I've made > that clear. > > Please feel free to add/update - it is our responsibility as the experts > to make sure that the correct knowledge is on here. My focus is on clarity > and understanding, but if someone more technical wants to elaborate on > anything I've done, or add new information, go ahead, and I'll try to make > sure it lays out well and flows intuitively. > > You can see all my changes here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JavaServer_Faces&action=his... > > Thanks, > > --- > Lincoln Baxter, III > http://ocpsoft.com > http://scrumshark.com > "Keep it Simple" > > -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen