CH> It seems so long ago that we had this discussion :-) CH> I thought you might find it interesting that the Java EE tutorial does CH> just what Dan asked for: They use @Named, not @ManagedBean, in their CH> published examples. Look at CH> http://java.sun.com/javaee/6/docs/tutorial/doc/gjcxv.html and search for CH> "managed bean". I'm relieved that the platform docs reflect the platform best practices! Score one for quality. Ed -- | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/