Thanks for posting this Dan. Its been on my to do list, but as usual, you've summed up the points thoroughly and clearly. I am 100% on board with acknowledging / deprecating the jsf built-in managed bean facility in favor of a platform feature. IMO, jsf is crippled without a full DI container. +1 Lincoln Baxter III http://ocpsoft.com http://scrumshark.com Keep it simple. On Dec 17, 2009 11:39 AM, "Dan Allen" <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: ^ alone -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #2...