GM> I see your point. I think we should only provide the API for this. How GM> or for which objects constructor validation is enabled should be GM> decided by users and/or solutions integrating with BV from my point of GM> view. EB> Yes. That concerns me a bit to be honest especially when more EB> technologies will offer BV integrations. We need to think this EB> through before opening pandora's box even more :) I'm familiar with the difficulties of tackling pandora's box type issues, and my vote would be to simply not open it during this release, instead, focusing on resolving the method level validation issue. Ed -- | edward.burns(a)oracle.com | office: +1 407 458 0017 | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/