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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Pete Muir (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Pete Muir commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------ Gerhard/Mark, could you write up a clear, self contained, statement of the problems you see with BDAs. So far I've only got a fragmented view of your opinion by you discussing it on various issues. We need to look at it in totality. Email this to the EG. If you can include proposals for how to move it forward, that would be excellent. We can't really move on this issue without such a statement, as others on the EG (including me) do not clearly understand the problems you are describing. > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Gerhard Petracek (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Gerhard Petracek commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------------- i agree with mark. if you need such dirty tricks to fix the spec. for >common< cases, it's a clear spec. issue and we have to fix it. imo a fix which introduces even more complexity >users< have to think about it a bad direction. module systems are responsible for the visibility and not a spec. like cdi. imo the minimum for cdi 1.1 is to provide a config option for deactivating bda (if we can't agree on removing the concept at all). > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Ales Justin (Issue Comment Edited) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Ales Justin edited comment on CDI-18 at 12/8/11 9:26 AM: --------------------------------------------------------- I'm not saying BDA impls are perfect :-), but I do think we need some abstraction like BDA. It's easy to say we don't need it, and let's then make everything flat. Which is - as you say - probably how big JEE apps look like, but not everything is JEE. ;-) e.g. we had a big customer with MicroContainer (AS5/6 kernel), which used custom CL rules, and having BDA would make it possible for them to use CDI, if they wanted (this was pre-CDI). btw: how do you then follow bean visibility rules in OWB in hierarchy .ears? was (Author: alesj): I'm not saying BDA impls are perfect :-), but I do think we need some abstraction like BDA. It's easy to say we don't need it, and let's then make everything flat. Which is - as you say - probably how big JEE apps look like, but not everything is JEE. ;-) e.g. we had a big customer with MicroContainer (AS5/5 kernel), which used custom CL rules, and having BDA would make it possible for them to use CDI, if they wanted (this was pre-CDI). btw: how do you then follow bean visibility rules in OWB in hierarchy .ears? > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Ales Justin (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Ales Justin commented on CDI-18: -------------------------------- I'm not saying BDA impls are perfect :-), but I do think we need some abstraction like BDA. It's easy to say we don't need it, and let's then make everything flat. Which is - as you say - probably how big JEE apps look like, but not everything is JEE. ;-) e.g. we had a big customer with MicroContainer (AS5/5 kernel), which used custom CL rules, and having BDA would make it possible for them to use CDI, if they wanted (this was pre-CDI). btw: how do you then follow bean visibility rules in OWB in hierarchy .ears? > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Geoffrey De Smet (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Geoffrey De Smet commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------------- I don't know BDA. What is it? I do like JBoss modules (but it can't change the language like Jigsaw will). Mark Reinhault's devoxx presentation about Jigsaw is really worth seeing. > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Pete Muir (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Pete Muir commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------ Do you see problems with resolution around BDAs as well? > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Geoffrey De Smet (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Geoffrey De Smet commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------------- >> Which CL rules are right? - Single classpath works best most of the time (as long as you're not an app server that has to dynamically load classes) - Hierachical classloading (AKA parant classloading as defined by ClassLoader's javadocs) is utterly broken - Graph based classloading (such as OSGI and Jigsaw) shows promise - But OSGi classloading's resultion is NP-complete (= non-determinstic in practice) so it's broken. So I hope Jigsaw finally gets it right :) The "unpack everything in the WEB-INF/classes" dir is basically a way to go single classpath. > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Mark Struberg (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Mark Struberg commented on CDI-18: ---------------------------------- Ales, fact is that lots of applications I know which must get deployed to Glassfish or JBossAS6 (not sure yet about AS7) currently just *unpack* all their dependencies to WEB-INF/classes, BECAUSE BDA IS COMPLETELY FUUUU UP.... Have you ever worked with big customers to get their _big_ CDI apps working? I did, and trust me, BDA is really a nightmare! This is really the worst part of CDI-1.0, and it's _very_ easy to get rid of it! Just look at what seam-solder does with @DefaultBean to make parts of this undone with some dirty tricks... @DefaultBean disables the BDA by emulating other mechanism - but at a pretty high performance and complexity cost. And then look at how many parts of Seam are using @DefaultBean? 80%? 90%? Even more? > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-18) Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives

by Gerhard Petracek (Commented) (JIRA)

[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.sys... ] Gerhard Petracek commented on CDI-18: ------------------------------------- @ales: i can't agree. openwebbeans works perfectly without bda (that's the default) in pretty large applications (which use a lot portable extensions). (even if everything gets deployed within a single ear.) > Global enablement of interceptors, decorators and alternatives > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: CDI-18 > URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-18 > Project: CDI Specification Issues > Issue Type: Feature Request > Components: Beans, Decorators, Interceptors, Packaging and Deployment > Affects Versions: 1.0 > Reporter: Mark Struberg > Priority: Critical > Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) > > > Currently the spec defines that <interceptors>, <decorators> and <alternatives> affect only the Bean Archives where they are configured in (via beans.xml). > Thus if you e.g. enable an Alternative in a WEB-INF/beans.xml, it does NOT count for the jars in it's WEB-INF/lib folder! > This is pretty unhandy because you would need to repackage all your jars in your WEB-INF/lib folder and add/expand the <alternatives> sections in their beans.xml. > Needless to say that this is not only hard to do in a company build but is also impossibly to handle at deploy time in an OSGi environment! -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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[JBoss JIRA] (CDI-191) ProcessSyntheticAnnotatedType not public

by Jozef Hartinger (Created) (JIRA)

ProcessSyntheticAnnotatedType not public ---------------------------------------- Key: CDI-191 URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-191 Project: CDI Specification Issues Issue Type: Bug Components: Portable Extensions Affects Versions: 1.1.EDR1 Reporter: Jozef Hartinger Assignee: Pete Muir Priority: Blocker Fix For: 1.1 (Proposed) {code:JAVA} interface ProcessSyntheticAnnotatedType<X> extends ProcessAnnotatedType<X> { public Extension getSource(); } {code} ProcessSyntheticAnnotatedType is not public. As a result, it is pretty difficult to implement. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.jboss.org/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

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