Re: [cdi-dev] CDI have any plan to process Transaction?

I do not understand why introduce @Transational in JEE7 but it still align with JTA. On 5/1/2012 17:41, Pete Muir wrote: > Yes, that's possibly a better idea still :-D > > On 30 Apr 2012, at 21:01, Dan Allen wrote: > >> True, it could be a matter of packaging. We could include the necessary JAR files as part of the Servlet support in the respective distributions. In a sense, they would be "blessed" extensions, which is all any user really cares about (how else do they know what's in weld-servlet.jar, for example). >> >> -Dan >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 15:59, Mark Struberg<struberg(a)yahoo.de> wrote: >> Over in DeltaSpike we are currently discussing the jpa module. Plans are to implement it there as portable extension. I see no need why we need to duplicate the effort by implementing it in both Weld and OWB ;) >> >> The big benefit of this approach is that this will also run on any CDI-1.0 container! >> >> >> LieGrue, >> strub >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Dan Allen<dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com> >>> To: Pete Muir<pmuir(a)redhat.com> >>> Cc: cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] CDI have any plan to process Transaction? >>> >>> >>> I molded this into a mini blog. Pete, if you are interested, feel free to post this as it will likely solve a wider misunderstanding from going around: >>> >>> >>> "A standard, universal @Transactional annotation is coming in Java EE 7. However, there are some important things to keep in mind: >>> >>> >>> - @Transactional *is* being developed as a revision to the JTA spec (as an MR) >>> - @Transactional *is not* being developed by the CDI EG, nor will it be in the CDI spec >>> - Feedback on @Transactional should be sent to the Java EE platform EG *not* to the CDI EG. The platform EG is conducting the revision to the JTA spec. >>> >>> >>> Java EE does not recognize a Servlet container as a compliant environment and therefore this feature will not be available there by default (mainly due to the absence of JTA in this environemnt). >>> >>> >>> However, to bridge the divide, Weld and OpenWebBeans will both likely offer support for @Transactional in a Servlet environment since we acknowledge that it *is* important, and is an environment preferred by many developers (but we still strongly urge you to migrate to the web profile!!)." >>> >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 04:55, Pete Muir<pmuir(a)redhat.com> wrote: >>> >>> Just to be 100% clear, as there is a lot of confusion around this topic. >>>> * @Transactional *IS NOT* being developed by the CDI EG nor will it be in the CDI spec >>>> * @Transactional *IS* being developed as a revision to the JTA spec (as a MR IIRC, but that was not my/our decision to make) >>>> * Feedback on @Trasnactional should be sent to the Java EE platform EG NOT to the CDI EG. The platform EG is conducting the revision to the JTA spec. >>>> >>>> HTH! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 09:19, Pete Muir wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29 Apr 2012, at 23:12, Dan Allen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am I correct in saying that the annotation will control JTA >>>>> Yes, this will be an amendment to the JTA spec AIUI. So back where it belongs! >>>>> >>>>>> and work in either of the two profiles (web and full)? >>>>> We haven't discussed this, but I'm assuming both. I will raise this. >>>>> >>>>>> Btw, Java EE does not recognize a Servlet container as a compliant environment and therefore this feature will not be available there (without special support for it). >>>>> Correct. Main obstacle is actually a lack of JTA there, rather than the declarative control… But I think OWB and Weld will both offer something here as we all regard it as important! >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with this stance since the web profile should be recognized as the low end environment. Otherwise there is not enough core services to provide a dependable and portable programming model. If you (general audience) want to use a Servlet container, you aren't using Java EE and will have to supplement with addons like CDI extensions or Spring. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my CyanogenMod-powered >>>>>> Android device, an open platform for >>>>>> carriers, developers and consumers. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 27, 2012 4:54 AM, "Pete Muir"<pmuir(a)redhat.com> wrote: >>>>>> Java EE 7 will include @Transactional. This will be provided by the Java EE platform, rather than CDI specifically. It will be a CDI interceptor, and so enabled as other CDI interceptors are. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Apr 2012, at 09:10, Hantsy Bai wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have read some content about the spec 1.1, but I want to know if there >>>>>>> is a plan to provide a new transaction annotation...for EBJ or none EJB >>>>>>> proramming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, provide a @Transactional annotation like Seam2 or Spring >>>>>>> 3.1...and make it work in Servlet container(none JTA transation, jdbc >>>>>>> only) or full profile container such as JBoss, Glassfish(JTA transaction >>>>>>> by default) seamlessly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Automatically detect the Transaction will be used, or configure in >>>>>>> beans.xml file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Hantsy >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> cdi-dev mailing list >>>>>>> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> cdi-dev mailing list >>>>>> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> cdi-dev mailing list >>>>> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dan AllenPrincipal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action >>> Registered Linux User #231597 >>> >>> >>> http://google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen >>> http://mojavelinux.com >>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cdi-dev mailing list >>> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Allen >> Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action >> Registered Linux User #231597 >> >> http://google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen >> http://mojavelinux.com >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >> >> _______________________________________________ >> cdi-dev mailing list >> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > > _______________________________________________ > cdi-dev mailing list > cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev