My vote is b. Since it is not working in the current version, no functioning applications should rely on it. Throwing an exception is clearer to the developers. Many thanks, Emily =========================== Emily Jiang WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead MP 211, DE3A20, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN Phone: +44 (0)1962 816278 Internal: 246278 Email: emijiang(a)uk.ibm.com Lotus Notes: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM@IBMGB From: Antoine Sabot-Durand <antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; To: cdi-dev <cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt;, Date: 03/08/2016 10:23 Subject: [cdi-dev] [Vote] for CDI-616 resolution Sent by: cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org ------------------------------ Hi all, During yesterday(s meeting we discussed how to solve CDI-616 issue. 2 options are possible but we didn't find an agreement, so the best solution here would be to vote. Options are: a) Do nothing about injection in transient fields (todays behaviour) but add a clarification in the spec saying that using them is not supported. b) Throw an exception at boot time if a transient field is an injection point. To vote, just answer to this mail with the letter of your vote. Vote will last 72 hrs from the hour of this mail. Thank you, Antoine _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 ( http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information. Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 ( http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information.

My vote is b. Since it is not working in the current version, no functioning applications should rely on it. Throwing an exception is clearer to the developers. Many thanks, Emily =========================== Emily Jiang WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead MP 211, DE3A20, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN Phone: +44 (0)1962 816278 Internal: 246278 Email: emijiang(a)uk.ibm.com Lotus Notes: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM@IBMGB From: Antoine Sabot-Durand <antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; To: cdi-dev <cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt;, Date: 03/08/2016 10:23 Subject: [cdi-dev] [Vote] for CDI-616 resolution Sent by: cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi all, During yesterday(s meeting we discussed how to solve CDI-616 issue. 2 options are possible but we didn't find an agreement, so the best solution here would be to vote. Options are: a) Do nothing about injection in transient fields (todays behaviour) but add a clarification in the spec saying that using them is not supported. b) Throw an exception at boot time if a transient field is an injection point. To vote, just answer to this mail with the letter of your vote. Vote will last 72 hrs from the hour of this mail. Thank you, Antoine _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 (http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information. Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 (http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information.

I think there are 4a and 4b I'm happy for b to be reworded to b) A definition error will be thrown if the injection point is transient and resolves to a normal scoped bean. Many thanks, Emily =========================== Emily Jiang WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead MP 211, DE3A20, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN Phone: +44 (0)1962 816278 Internal: 246278 Email: emijiang(a)uk.ibm.com Lotus Notes: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM@IBMGB From: Martin Kouba <mkouba(a)redhat.com&gt; To: cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, Date: 03/08/2016 11:22 Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] [Vote] for CDI-616 resolution Sent by: cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org ------------------------------ My vote is (b) - IF AND ONLY IF the definition error only applies to a transient field injection point which resolves to a NORMAL SCOPED BEAN. Because a contextual reference (client proxy) for such a bean is always a passivation capable dependency. So there is no need to have it transient. Otherwise my vote is (a). Martin Dne 3.8.2016 v 11:38 Emily Jiang napsal(a): > My vote is b. > > Since it is not working in the current version, no functioning > applications should rely on it. Throwing an exception is clearer to the > developers. > > Many thanks, > Emily > =========================== > Emily Jiang > WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead > > MP 211, DE3A20, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN > Phone: +44 (0)1962 816278 Internal: 246278 > > Email: emijiang(a)uk.ibm.com > Lotus Notes: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM@IBMGB > > > > > From: Antoine Sabot-Durand <antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; > To: cdi-dev <cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt;, > Date: 03/08/2016 10:23 > Subject: [cdi-dev] [Vote] for CDI-616 resolution > Sent by: cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Hi all, > > During yesterday(s meeting we discussed how to solve CDI-616 issue. > 2 options are possible but we didn't find an agreement, so the best > solution here would be to vote. > > Options are: > > a) Do nothing about injection in transient fields (todays behaviour) but > add a clarification in the spec saying that using them is not supported. > b) Throw an exception at boot time if a transient field is an injection > point. > > To vote, just answer to this mail with the letter of your vote. Vote > will last 72 hrs from the hour of this mail. > > Thank you, > > Antoine _______________________________________________ > cdi-dev mailing list > cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > > Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the > code under the Apache License, Version 2 > (http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas > provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other > intellectual property rights inherent in such information. > > Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU > > > _______________________________________________ > cdi-dev mailing list > cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > > Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 (http://www.apache.org/ licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information. > -- Martin Kouba Software Engineer Red Hat, Czech Republic _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 (http://www.apache.org/ licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information. Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 (http://www.apache.org/ licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information.

My vote is (a). The current state is that this kind of works, and we would be breaking existing apps by throwing an exception. ------------------------------ *From:* cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org <cdi-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; on behalf of Antoine Sabot-Durand <antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2016 5:21:04 AM *To:* cdi-dev *Subject:* [cdi-dev] [Vote] for CDI-616 resolution Hi all, During yesterday(s meeting we discussed how to solve CDI-616 issue. 2 options are possible but we didn't find an agreement, so the best solution here would be to vote. Options are: a) Do nothing about injection in transient fields (todays behaviour) but add a clarification in the spec saying that using them is not supported. b) Throw an exception at boot time if a transient field is an injection point. To vote, just answer to this mail with the letter of your vote. Vote will last 72 hrs from the hour of this mail. Thank you, Antoine ------------------------------ NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged information which should be treated accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this message, and destroy all physical and electronic copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ cdi-dev mailing list cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses the code under the Apache License, Version 2 ( http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). For all other ideas provided on this list, the provider waives all patent and other intellectual property rights inherent in such information.