As there is well-established event handling on the SE and ME side, in most cases based on java.util.EventObject, I could imagine CDI events being either outside a "lite" profile or at least optional, should we consider optionality.

Werner On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:10 PM, <cdi-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; wrote: > Send cdi-dev mailing list submissions to > cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cdi-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cdi-dev-owner(a)lists.jboss.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cdi-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cdi-dev Digest, Vol 57, Issue 33 (Romain Manni-Bucau) > 2. Re: Time to start working on CDI lite (Antonio Goncalves) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 18:09:41 +0200 > From: Antonio Goncalves <antonio.goncalves(a)gmail.com&gt; > Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Time to start working on CDI lite > To: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau(a)gmail.com&gt; > Cc: cdi-dev <cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Message-ID: > <CA+ZZq9-YFcTKuZr=+6v= > wH-w670E++qgBrN36DsToFEidUzenQ(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > For me, a Light version of CDI is clearly the features number. That's why > I > don't see events in it. > > For me, a CDI Lite would just focus on DI. If CDI has @Produces and Spring > has @Bean, then it's because 330 lakes this functionality. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibucau(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > > > Lite can have several definition, let's try to list them up if it can > help: > > > > - binary size: for me until 3M for an app it is "Lite" > > - features number: the whole IoC set of feature is light since you > almost > > always need it, it means you can do lighter but it wouldnt be used - > check > > spring, who uses only spring-ioc and not context or more? > > - features complexity: sure we are not light here but supporting scopes > > already breaks "Lite-ness" IMO so not a real issue > > > > So my view is CDI "SE" is light enough - as a spec and spec can't affect > > implementations so seems the fight is not on the right side to me. > > > > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github > > <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber > > <http://www.tomitribe.com> > > > > 2015-08-30 15:57 GMT+02:00 Antonio Goncalves < > antonio.goncalves(a)gmail.com&gt; > > : > > > >> It's funny, I feel I'm in Rod Johnson shoes back in Java EE 6 where he > >> forked 330 because he found CDI was doing too much ;o) > >> > >> For me, "CDI Lite" was just basic dependency injection. The fact that > CDI > >> can now run on SE (like JPA....), is good... but for me it has nothing > to > >> do with Light : it's the entire thing that can bootstrap in SE. Good. > >> > >> So what is Lite for you guys ? > >> > >> Antonio > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > >> rmannibucau(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> > >>> 2015-08-30 15:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com&gt;: > >>> > >>>> Personally, I'm not in favor of a slimmed down runtime. It was tried > >>>> with EJB, but never implemented properly (most implementations that > support > >>>> EJB-lite actually support the entire thing, except for deprecated > stuff). > >>>> > >>>> > >>> +1, most of CDI is basic and quickly any light version will miss > events > >>> or other thing - in particular in maintaining micro services from > >>> experience. Size of an implementation can easily be < 1M so not sure > it > >>> would bring anything. Only important point is what Antoine started to > do ie > >>> ensuring EE and SE parts are clearly identified and split in the spec. > >>> > >>> > >>>> I think if we define SE properly we won't have a need for this. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:07 AM Antonio Goncalves < > >>>> antonio.goncalves(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> @Antoine, so which content do you see in CDI Lite ? Are you sure > about > >>>>> events ? > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm in favor of a "fatter" 330 that would have : > >>>>> > >>>>> - @Inject : already there > >>>>> - @Qualifier : already there > >>>>> - > >>>>> *Producers and disposers * > >>>>> - > >>>>> *Programatic lookup * > >>>>> - *Java SE Bootstrap* > >>>>> > >>>>> When you say "*The goal here is not to propose a new EE profile but > a > >>>>> subspec*", 330 could already be seen as a subspec. If you put events > >>>>> apparts, what would be missing in this list in your point of view ? > And > >>>>> what obstacles do you see in archieving this ? > >>>>> > >>>>> To boostrap CDI we have a CDIProvider, why not having an > >>>>> InjectionProvider just to bootstrap 330 (then, CDIProvider could > extend > >>>>> InjectionProvider, so it bootstraps the all thing) ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Antonio > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Antoine Sabot-Durand < > >>>>> antoine(a)sabot-durand.net&gt; wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yes Arjan, I think it's the first reason. We really should work > with > >>>>>> them to understand what should be added to CDI 2.0 to have it as a > first > >>>>>> citizen DI in their spec. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Le sam. 29 ao?t 2015 ? 23:15, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms(a)gmail.com&gt; > a > >>>>>> ?crit : > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Antonio Goncalves > >>>>>>> <antonio.goncalves(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>>>>> > I remember talking with the JAX-RS guys (Java EE), years ago > (back > >>>>>>> in EE6), > >>>>>>> > and their answer for not adopting CDI was "too heavy". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I can't find an exact reference anymore, but I somewhat remember > that > >>>>>>> one of the reasons was also simply that CDI as a general solution > >>>>>>> finished late in Java EE 6, while JAX-RS finished earlier and had > all > >>>>>>> the work for their own DI solution already done. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Antonio Goncalves > >>>>> Software architect, Java Champion and Pluralsight author > >>>>> > >>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org> | Twitter > >>>>> <http://twitter.com/agoncal> | LinkedIn > >>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Pluralsight > >>>>> <http://pluralsight.com/training/Authors/Details/antonio-goncalves> > | Paris > >>>>> JUG <http://www.parisjug.org> | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> cdi-dev mailing list > >>>>> cdi-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev > >>>>> > >>>>> Note that for all code provided on this list, the provider licenses > >>>>> the code under the Apache License, Version 2 ( > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html). 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