[bv-dev] Value extraction open issue #7: Should type argument constraints trigger cascaded validation?

Should the presence of type argument constraints alone trigger cascaded validation E.g. consider the case of Tuple: class Tuple<T1,T2> { @NotNull T1 getT1(); @Min(3) getSize(); // ... } When validating class TupleUser { Tuple<@Min(1) Integer, @Email String> tuple; } should this trigger cascaded validation of "tuple", i.e. validation of @NotNull and @Min within the Tuple class itself? A variation of the issue is Map<AddressType, @NotNull Address> myMap; where validation of "myMap" would cause validation of @NotNull for the map values, but should it also cause validation of constraints declared on Address? Currently, the sole presence of type argument constraints would not trigger such cascaded validation. You'll need to put @Valid in place to do so: @Valid Tuple<@Min(1) Integer, @Email String> tuple; Map<AddressType, @NotNull @Valid Address> myMap; I found such implicit cascaded validation semi-attractive at some point, but since then have come to think that requiring @Valid is the better alternative, as it's more consistent with the 1.1 behaviour. I *think* Matt and Emmanuel support that @Valid should be required (but confirmation would be nice). What do others think? --Gunnar