Martin,
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:54 AM Martin Kouba <mkouba(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Dne 15.5.2016 v 17:14 John D. Ament napsal(a):
> Romain,
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:05 AM Romain Manni-Bucau
> <rmannibucau(a)gmail.com <mailto:rmannibucau@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jon
>
> Le 15 mai 2016 16:15, "John D. Ament" <john.d.ament(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:john.d.ament@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> >
> > Hey guys
> >
> > Seems like we have some issues in JIRA all focused on managing
> the lifecycle of Dependent scoped beans. It also seems like we have
> many differing opinions about how to manage them.
> >
> > - Martin raised a PR to add a release() method to Instance to
> help destroy a dependent bean
https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/286
> > - I raised a PR
https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/289 to
> update the spec to clarify how to manage a dependent scoped bean.
> >
> > Right now, it seems that the big disagreement is whether
> Instance.destroy() can destroy objects not created by it (the case
> being around the CDI utility class, being an impl of Instance). I'm
> currently heavily against Martin's proposed changes, but want to get
> input from others on the group to understand their perspective.
> >
> > - Does the spec require destroy() to be called only on instances
> that it created? When I read 5.6.1 the only requirement I see is
> that it has to be a dependent scoped bean. Note when I ask this I'm
> asking from the spec perspective, its a different problem if there's
> some issues with implementations following suite (I would imagine
> there needs to be some shared global registry of dependent scoped
> beans for this to work).
> >
>
> Sound the only clean impl. Any other is not symmetric and
> potentially lead to "oops this time it didnt work". I also not
> seeing any use case limitation with that so think it is the same
> solution
>
>
> I'm not sure I follow or if this isn't an answer to "Does the spec
> require destroy() to be called only on instances that it created?" ?
>
> Anyways I did look a bit closer and it seems that Martin's statement is
> consistent with how OWB works,
>
https://github.com/apache/openwebbeans/blob/trunk/webbeans-impl/src/main/...
so
> I wonder if there's a part of the spec I'm missing, or if there was some
> offline agreement on how to understand it.
John, I believe Instance CANNOT be used to destroy a dependent bean
instance it didn't created, because a dependent bean instance doesn't
know the dependent objects it depends on - that's what CreationalContext
is for.
This is the area I'm looking for clarification around. Where in the spec
is this mandated?
So if you pass any dependent instance to Instance.destroy() there is
no
CreationalContext apart from the one Instance<> has. In other words you
wouldn't be able to destroy the @Dependent dependencies of a @Dependent
bean instane. Does it make sense?
See also
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-519 (cdi-spec/cdi/pull/278
is already merged).
>
> John
>
> > - Do we want two methods that effectively do the same thing? I
> don't see a strong difference between the two.
> >
> > On the flipside, my change is more a spec clarification. I'm
> thinking more now that it belongs as a reword of 5.6.1 to clarify
> how to use destroy() on dependent beans, rather than where I put
> it. I think realistically we have all of the tools needed to manage
> the lifecycle of these classes, just need to clarify them for people
> to use.
> >
> > John
> >
>
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