Re: [jboss-as7-dev] manual way to do logging?
On 6/7/12 5:06 PM, Jason T. Greene wrote:
On 6/7/12 4:00 PM, Bill Burke wrote:
> On 6/7/12 4:39 PM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
>>> Yup, pretty much a behemoth.
>>
>> I don't see it, man. The tooling is lightweight and the result has
>> proven to be fast at runtime *and* very nice to use and convenient at
>> development time. We evaluated *all* the requirements - not just the
>> ones you just thought of now - and came up with a solution that works
>> well for everyone (except for you). You need to let it go.
>>
>
> The fact that you can't accommodate such a simple request (and that it
> doesn't exist already) proves what a behemoth it is. And I didn't
> think of requirements *just now*. If I had known 2 years ago I would be
> required to use such a behemoth, I would have been just as much of an
> asshole then as I'm being right now. I know if Tim was still around
> he'd shit all over this as well.
> And finally, I'll let it go...write to the very bottom of my work-queue.
>
No it's amazing you can't answer a simple question. You're just running
around with a hammer expecting everything to be a nail.
What simple question? Thought I did multiple times?
To answer Andy's questions: Resteasy has just as many non-JBoss AS users
as JBoss AS users (to answer Andy's question), but, I don't see what
making money has to do with whether or not I use JBoss Logging or how I
would prefer to consume it.
Logging is one of the few fundamental external dependencies I have in my
project that I want to isolate within a simple level of indirection with
simple project specific interfaces. Add to that the number of things I
have to do just to log something with JBoss Logging (X interfaces, Y
annotated methods, generated code, extra maven plugin, hard external
dependency).
You can argue all you want that my complaints are meaningless, but I
completely disagree. You can say that I'm running around with a hammer
expecting everything to be a nail, but from my perspective, you're
telling me I need a limo driver to drive me down to my mailbox just to
pick up my mail.
David was right, I should have let this go from the beginning when I
learned there was no manual API and just dropped this jira indefinitely
to the bottom of my queue and avoided aggravating by myself and you guys.
P.S. I hope we can have a few beers at JUDCon/JBossWorld and *NOT* talk
about this.
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Bill Burke
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