Re: [jboss-as7-dev] manual way to do logging?

> That's the crux really. I always bitch when I have to add a log message with JBoss logging compared to the good old log4j. But I would not meet the requirements. > > See it positively, it's annoying enough to add a log or throw an exception that I do it less often and my code is even more efficient :D > The other annoying bit is when your log interface is in a common module and you work on a dependent module. This requires full recompilation and I am often bitten by this with method not found exceptions. Yes, same happened often in eclipse plugins - they tend to move the logging message/interfaces into each module and only truly shared ones out in common. It's all a balance act. /max > > On 8 juin 2012, at 09:44, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> btw. yes, I also think jboss logging is over-engineered for basic usage but >> for stuff that needs to be memory efficient and i18n maintainable I don't recall >> seeing anything better.... >> >> On 08 Jun 2012, at 09:31, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >> >>> Hi Bill/David, >>> >>> I unfortunately cannot use JBoss Logging yet because of how Eclipse plugins are built, but >>> just a few observations on this "fun" topic ;) >>> >>> Static vs non-static logging: >>> ------------------------------------- >>> >>> Eclipse plugins already are used to have to create a static string message in an interface to do i18n of logging; they even provide tooling to make this easy to do - that helps *alot*; >>> jboss logging doesn't have that though. >>> >>> Unfortunately we actually in Eclipse world also have the non-interface based stuff too that Bill wants and yes its awesome you can just write it quick'n'dirty but maan its a mess to work with >>> afterwards over time. (In resteasy you probably don't see it because its much smaller than the number of eclipse plugins we have to maintain, but if I could choose now, I would like >>> to have that stick hit me everytime I was lazy) >>> >>> Hacker tip: Nothing prevents you from doing a generic highlevel interface field you can use everytime you are feeling lazy - good thing is you or others can easily find the usages of that >>> and go through and convert these messages. just saying. >>> >>> Performance: >>> ------------------- >>> >>> Jason and David aren't full of shit here. >>> >>> They proved early on in AS7 lifetime that even basic stuff in logging like checking if log is activated was costing as much as 10% overhead - even with logging disabled. That was before string concatenation gets into play. >>> >>> And if you don't trust them then I can tell you Eclipse went through the exact same exercise some years back. They had grown organically over time from a few small plugins to thousands. and suddenly they >>> were faced with several hundred megabytes of overhead and a sluggish performance. Their move to use static interfaces made a big impact in runtime performance AND memory usage. >>> >>> JBoss Logging actually takes this even further - but i'll leave David and Jasons to explain those :) >>> >>> Usability: >>> ------------- >>> >>> You do not need an additional maven plugin if you just use the plain standard annotation processor. >>> You keep saying you need one so i'm curious why you think that. >>> >>> There is though one place where this annotation processor sucks, and that is that it isn't isolated >>> enough to be reusable and runnable within an IDE such as Eclipse :) >>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/LOGTOOL-51 captures that; this shouldn't affect you though since you >>> are just using maven and vi. >>> >>> ....and I'm all for that beer too - can we talk about how JBoss Logging could be made to work with Eclipse logging framework ? :) >>> >>> /max >>> >>> On 08 Jun 2012, at 00:43, Bill Burke wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/7/12 6:21 PM, David M. Lloyd wrote: >>>>> On 06/07/2012 04:55 PM, Bill Burke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. I hope we can have a few beers at JUDCon/JBossWorld and *NOT* talk >>>>>> about this. >>>>> >>>>> :-D >>>>> >>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not pissed or anything. I do love a good >>>>> argument though. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh thank god! I love a good argument too! I don't know about you, but >>>> sitting at home every day, you get a bit ornery.... >>>> >>>> I've exhausted my arguments anyways. Hopefully Jim can take the banner >>>> and run with it... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bill Burke >>>> JBoss, a division of Red Hat >>>> http://bill.burkecentral.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jboss-as7-dev mailing list >>>> jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jboss-as7-dev mailing list >>> jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jboss-as7-dev mailing list >> jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev