On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:32 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexey Kazakov" <alkazako(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Nick Boldt" <nboldt(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Aleksandar Kurtakov" <akurtako(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Ilya Buziuk" > <ibuziuk(a)redhat.com&gt;, "jbosstools-dev jbosstools-dev" <jbosstools-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt;, "Leo Ufimtsev" > <lufimtse(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Leonard Dimaggio" <ldimaggi(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Rick Wagner" <rwagner(a)redhat.com&gt; > Sent: Saturday, 22 October, 2016 7:21:10 AM > Subject: Re: Do we still need Xulrunner in Devstudio? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 21, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Nick Boldt <nboldt(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> ICYMI the status of this is now: >> >> * List the features that are non-supportable on Red Hat Linux desktop >> - visual page editor & preview - requires xulrunner, which requires >> GTK2. GTK2 is not supported on RHEL7/Fedora24+) > > Minor correction. HTML preview is supported. It's coupled with Xulrunner but > doesn't use it. So can this be split for next JBT release ? That would be good first step.

> >> >> * Document it (including details about libnotify and GTK3) >> * review this limitation for next year's major release train as a team >> with PM being aware of the issues >> * consider developing a VPE and preview that don't require xulrunner/GTK2 >> >> See also https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RHDEVDOCS-120 and >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBDS-4059 >> >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 17:37, Nick Boldt wrote: >>>> >>>> Why wouldn't it be a solution? >>> >>> before you guys get all trapped in VPE issues for the <10% of users >>> please also remember that browsersim and cordovasim relies on JavaFX >>> which afaik still is not available on RHEL and Fedora OpenJDK. >>> >>> Thus we already have cases where we got features we just can't support on >>> RHEL and Fedora because the baseOS/VM's don't support the necessary >>> features. >>> >>> And even if users installs Oracle JDK to work around this then at least >>> last time I looked at it JavaFX had hard bindings to GTK2 too. >>> >>> Here is my suggestion: >>> >>> List the features that are non-supportable on Red Hat Linux desktop. >>> >>> Exclude or disable them by default in the RPM distro. >>> >>> Go look at the usage stats we added 1-2 years ago to track how >>> much the various editors/simulators are used. >>> >>> Document it and review it for the next years major release train >>> as a team and with PM being aware of the issues. >>> >>> /max >>> http://about.me/maxandersen >> >> >> >> -- >> Nick Boldt :: JBoss by Red Hat >> Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio >> http://nick.divbyzero.com > -- Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team