A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll stop now.) -Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor All, We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an example is: * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be official (e.g. Vineet's example) We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any good ideas? Pete _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it or ink areas missing? ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Jonathan Fuerth" <jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM > Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor > > That could work. > > I'll see if I can do some mockups. > > On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: > >> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >> >> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >> >> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >> stop now.) >> >> -Jonathan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> All, >> >> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >> example is: >> >> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >> >> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >> good ideas? >> >> Pete >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev > _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on their quality or difficulty. On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: > Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of affiliation with jdf. > > On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: > >> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it or ink areas missing? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" <jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>> >>> That could work. >>> >>> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >>> >>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >>> >>>> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >>>> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >>>> >>>> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >>>> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >>>> >>>> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >>>> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >>>> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >>>> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >>>> stop now.) >>>> >>>> -Jonathan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >>>> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >>>> example is: >>>> >>>> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >>>> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >>>> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >>>> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >>>> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >>>> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >>>> >>>> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >>>> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >>>> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >>>> good ideas? >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jdf-dev mailing list >>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >

From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Marius Bogoevici" <mariusb(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor Hi all, James P has started to develop some designs for this: I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on their quality or difficulty. On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of affiliation with jdf. On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it or ink areas missing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > To: "Jonathan Fuerth" < jfuerth(a)redhat.com > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor That could work. I'll see if I can do some mockups. On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll stop now.) -Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor All, We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an example is: * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be official (e.g. Vineet's example) We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any good ideas? Pete _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

Here it is on white :-) On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Sande Gilda wrote: > I like the bottom left too. I like keeping it in sync with the look and feel of the web site. I wonder how it would look on a white background though. Does it need a boundary? > > Not sure about the supported either. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Marius Bogoevici" <mariusb(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:58:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is >> not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >> >> >> >> Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on >> their quality or difficulty. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we >> want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of >> affiliation with jdf. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it >> or ink areas missing? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" < jfuerth(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That could work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> stop now.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> example is: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> good ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 3:57:13 PM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor Legal have approved the badge, but would prefer we don't use supported. They are happy with recommended or endorsed. Endorsed works well for my British English brain, but does it work for other versions of English? On 3 Sep 2012, at 14:26, Pete Muir wrote: As no one has more comments, we'll go with the bottom left. I'll work with legal on the wording. On 30 Aug 2012, at 14:18, Pete Muir wrote: Here it is on white :-) On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Sande Gilda wrote: I like the bottom left too. I like keeping it in sync with the look and feel of the web site. I wonder how it would look on a white background though. Does it need a boundary? Not sure about the supported either. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > To: "Marius Bogoevici" < mariusb(a)redhat.com > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor Hi all, James P has started to develop some designs for this: I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on their quality or difficulty. On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of affiliation with jdf. On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it or ink areas missing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > To: "Jonathan Fuerth" < jfuerth(a)redhat.com > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor That could work. I'll see if I can do some mockups. On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll stop now.) -Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor All, We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an example is: * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be official (e.g. Vineet's example) We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any good ideas? Pete _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

endorsed++ On Sep 7, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Porter wrote: > I like endorsed better than recommended. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >> To: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 3:57:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> Legal have approved the badge, but would prefer we don't use >> supported. >> >> >> They are happy with recommended or endorsed. >> >> >> Endorsed works well for my British English brain, but does it work >> for other versions of English? >> >> On 3 Sep 2012, at 14:26, Pete Muir wrote: >> >> >> >> As no one has more comments, we'll go with the bottom left. >> >> I'll work with legal on the wording. >> >> On 30 Aug 2012, at 14:18, Pete Muir wrote: >> >> >> >> Here it is on white :-) >> >> >> >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Sande Gilda wrote: >> >> >> >> I like the bottom left too. I like keeping it in sync with the look >> and feel of the web site. I wonder how it would look on a white >> background though. Does it need a boundary? >> >> Not sure about the supported either. :-) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> To: "Marius Bogoevici" < mariusb(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:58:04 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is >> >> >> not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on >> >> >> their quality or difficulty. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we >> >> >> want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of >> >> >> affiliation with jdf. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it >> >> >> or ink areas missing? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" < jfuerth(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That could work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> stop now.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> example is: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> good ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev -- qmx _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

Here it is on white :-) On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Sande Gilda wrote: > I like the bottom left too. I like keeping it in sync with the look > and feel of the web site. I wonder how it would look on a white > background though. Does it need a boundary? > > Not sure about the supported either. :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com>> >> To: "Marius Bogoevici" <mariusb(a)redhat.com <mailto:mariusb@redhat.com>> >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:58:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is >> not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >> >> >> >> Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on >> their quality or difficulty. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we >> want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of >> affiliation with jdf. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it >> or ink areas missing? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" < jfuerth(a)redhat.com <mailto:jfuerth@redhat.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That could work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> stop now.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Pete Muir" < pmuir(a)redhat.com <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> example is: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> good ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev mailing list >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jdf-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>

we actually have the exact same challenge in tooling land - the trouble of classifying what "status" an external plugin has for us/users. We currently use the term "Certified" and "Selected" as the way to say which we support/can help fix things on and "selected" being those we at least tested at some point but might have changed since then. /max On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:58, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi all, > > James P has started to develop some designs for this: > > <JDFApproved3.jpg> > > I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is better?) > > On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: > >> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo explicitly. >> >> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >> >>> Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, not on their quality or difficulty. >>> >>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>> >>>> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their degree of affiliation with jdf. >>>> >>>> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >>>> >>>>> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some specs on it or ink areas missing? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" <jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>> >>>>>> That could work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would convey this >>>>>>> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need a mark >>>>>>> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >>>>>>> in-the-works demos could get the industrious Soon-to-be-official >>>>>>> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >>>>>>> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, I'll >>>>>>> stop now.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jonathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people that an >>>>>>> example is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions on, >>>>>>> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >>>>>>> * something that we plan to add to as an official example later on >>>>>>> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >>>>>>> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to be >>>>>>> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, blue >>>>>>> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they really >>>>>>> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got any >>>>>>> good ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

Endorsed to me means something slightly different than supported. Supported to me would be either we created or we test and can fix it if something goes wrong. Endorsed would be we've gone through it and approve of everything in there, but we're not "offering support" for it. I would use "endorsed" for community contributed things (examples, guides, etc) and supported for things we authored internally or have taken over the ownership. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:41:22 PM > Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor > > I like Endorsed > > Thoughts? > > On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > >> we actually have the exact same challenge in tooling land - the >> trouble of classifying what "status" >> an external plugin has for us/users. >> >> We currently use the term "Certified" and "Selected" as the way to >> say which we support/can help fix things on and "selected" being >> those >> we at least tested at some point but might have changed since then. >> >> /max >> >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:58, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >>> >>> <JDFApproved3.jpg> >>> >>> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that supported >>> is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is >>> better?) >>> >>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo >>>> explicitly. >>>> >>>> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well we want to rate them based on their level of affiliation, >>>>> not on their quality or difficulty. >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't think >>>>>> we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their >>>>>> degree of affiliation with jdf. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some >>>>>>> specs on it or ink areas missing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" <jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That could work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would >>>>>>>>> convey this >>>>>>>>> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we need >>>>>>>>> a mark >>>>>>>>> for that. The absence of the official seal might be enough. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe the >>>>>>>>> in-the-works demos could get the industrious >>>>>>>>> Soon-to-be-official >>>>>>>>> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get the >>>>>>>>> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, >>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>> stop now.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Jonathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people >>>>>>>>> that an >>>>>>>>> example is: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * official, and something we will stand by, answer questions >>>>>>>>> on, >>>>>>>>> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >>>>>>>>> * something that we plan to add to as an official example >>>>>>>>> later on >>>>>>>>> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >>>>>>>>> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, >>>>>>>>> blue >>>>>>>>> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone got >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> good ideas? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jdf-dev mailing list >>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >

From: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: "Jason Porter" <jporter(a)redhat.com&gt;, jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:40:32 AM Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor Does anything here sound good? http://thesaurus.com/browse/endorsed?s=t On 08/30/2012 09:37 AM, Pete Muir wrote: > Supported is a massively overloaded word ;-) > > On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:56, Jason Porter wrote: > >> Endorsed to me means something slightly different than supported. >> Supported to me would be either we created or we test and can fix >> it if something goes wrong. Endorsed would be we've gone through >> it and approve of everything in there, but we're not "offering >> support" for it. I would use "endorsed" for community contributed >> things (examples, guides, etc) and supported for things we >> authored internally or have taken over the ownership. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:41:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>> >>> I like Endorsed >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> we actually have the exact same challenge in tooling land - the >>>> trouble of classifying what "status" >>>> an external plugin has for us/users. >>>> >>>> We currently use the term "Certified" and "Selected" as the way >>>> to >>>> say which we support/can help fix things on and "selected" being >>>> those >>>> we at least tested at some point but might have changed since >>>> then. >>>> >>>> /max >>>> >>>> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:58, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >>>>> >>>>> <JDFApproved3.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that >>>>> supported >>>>> is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is >>>>> better?) >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo >>>>>> explicitly. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well we want to rate them based on their level of >>>>>>> affiliation, >>>>>>> not on their quality or difficulty. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their >>>>>>>> degree of affiliation with jdf. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some >>>>>>>>> specs on it or ink areas missing? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>> To: "Jonathan Fuerth" <jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That could work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would >>>>>>>>>>> convey this >>>>>>>>>>> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we >>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>> a mark >>>>>>>>>>> for that. The absence of the official seal might be >>>>>>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> in-the-works demos could get the industrious >>>>>>>>>>> Soon-to-be-official >>>>>>>>>>> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, >>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>> stop now.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Jonathan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people >>>>>>>>>>> that an >>>>>>>>>>> example is: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * official, and something we will stand by, answer >>>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>>> on, >>>>>>>>>>> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >>>>>>>>>>> * something that we plan to add to as an official example >>>>>>>>>>> later on >>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >>>>>>>>>>> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, >>>>>>>>>>> blue >>>>>>>>>>> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone >>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> good ideas? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jdf-dev mailing list >>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>> > > _______________________________________________ > jdf-dev mailing list > jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev

Ratified and Sanctioned are interesting, not sure if we'd want to use them, but they sound nice :) ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sande Gilda&quot;&lt;sgilda(a)redhat.com&gt; > To: "Pete Muir&quot;&lt;pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; > Cc: "Jason Porter&quot;&lt;jporter(a)redhat.com&gt;, jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:40:32 AM > Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor > > Does anything here sound good? > http://thesaurus.com/browse/endorsed?s=t > > > On 08/30/2012 09:37 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >> Supported is a massively overloaded word ;-) >> >> On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:56, Jason Porter wrote: >> >>> Endorsed to me means something slightly different than supported. >>> Supported to me would be either we created or we test and can fix >>> it if something goes wrong. Endorsed would be we've gone through >>> it and approve of everything in there, but we're not "offering >>> support" for it. I would use "endorsed" for community contributed >>> things (examples, guides, etc) and supported for things we >>> authored internally or have taken over the ownership. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pete Muir&quot;&lt;pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> To: "Max Rydahl Andersen&quot;&lt;max.andersen(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:41:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>> >>>> I like Endorsed >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:03, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >>>> >>>>> we actually have the exact same challenge in tooling land - the >>>>> trouble of classifying what "status" >>>>> an external plugin has for us/users. >>>>> >>>>> We currently use the term "Certified" and "Selected" as the way >>>>> to >>>>> say which we support/can help fix things on and "selected" being >>>>> those >>>>> we at least tested at some point but might have changed since >>>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> /max >>>>> >>>>> On 29 Aug 2012, at 13:58, Pete Muir&lt;pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> James P has started to develop some designs for this: >>>>>> >>>>>> <JDFApproved3.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>>> I really like the bottom left (though it's possible that >>>>>> supported >>>>>> is not the right term, perhaps "Recommended" or "Certified" is >>>>>> better?) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly why I like Jason's proposal of using the JDF logo >>>>>>> explicitly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2012-07-10, at 11:07 AM, Pete Muir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well we want to rate them based on their level of >>>>>>>> affiliation, >>>>>>>> not on their quality or difficulty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 16:04, Marius Bogoevici wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Something based on the JDF logo would be better. I don't >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> we want to *rate* examples, we just want to indicate their >>>>>>>>> degree of affiliation with jdf. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2012-07-10, at 10:25 AM, Jason Porter wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What about rendering the jdf "logo" as a stamp? with some >>>>>>>>>> specs on it or ink areas missing? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir&quot;&lt;pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Jonathan Fuerth&quot;&lt;jfuerth(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:53:37 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That could work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll see if I can do some mockups. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 14:50, Jonathan Fuerth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A gold starburst "Official Supported JBoss Demo" would >>>>>>>>>>>> convey this >>>>>>>>>>>> idea to me. Kind of like the Nintendo Seal of Quality. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for the lesser-supported scenarios, I'm not sure we >>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>> a mark >>>>>>>>>>>> for that. The absence of the official seal might be >>>>>>>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or, if the supported demos get an Official Seal, maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> in-the-works demos could get the industrious >>>>>>>>>>>> Soon-to-be-official >>>>>>>>>>>> Beaver of Quality, and the unsupported demos could get >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> completely unofficial Otter of Quality. (ha, ha, ha.. OK, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>> stop now.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Jonathan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir&quot;&lt;pmuir(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>> To: jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:08:45 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [jdf-dev] Looking for a (visual) metaphor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need a visual metaphor that quickly conveys to people >>>>>>>>>>>> that an >>>>>>>>>>>> example is: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> * official, and something we will stand by, answer >>>>>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>>>>> on, >>>>>>>>>>>> support in a product (e.g. TicketMonster) >>>>>>>>>>>> * something that we plan to add to as an official example >>>>>>>>>>>> later on >>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. jbossworld keynote 2012) >>>>>>>>>>>> * something that is really interesting, but is unlikely >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> official (e.g. Vineet's example) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had thought about using ski run colours (green circle, >>>>>>>>>>>> blue >>>>>>>>>>>> square, black diamond) to indicate the level, but they >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> refer more to difficulty than to recommendation. Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> good ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jdf-dev mailing list >>>> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdf-dev mailing list >> jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev > _______________________________________________ jdf-dev mailing list jdf-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jdf-dev