https://javaserverfaces-spec-public.dev.java.net/files/documents/1936/145... I wanted to get this out as quickly as possible. As I am sitting in Martin's JSFSummit talk I will add in my notes later, so as to minimize my rudeness. Ed P.S. This was the first EG audio clip I uploaded since we went to jsr-314-open. I assume that everyone is OK with the audio being on javaserverfaces-spec-public, instead of the previously customary, and EG private, javaserverfaces-spec-eg. If any EG member wants me to move the file to be where the rest of them are, please follow up to this mail and say so. Ed