Re: [weld-dev] persistence and transactions outside Java EE

Btw, this is exactly why most people use Seam 2. They don't want to deal with EJB. They can just annotate with @Name and inject a Seam-managed persistence context. The transactions are hooked into whatever they want: local, JTA or Spring. It's "the hell with EJB" approach. I'm just saying perhaps we can find a way to cater to this approach in Java EE so we don't lose those people to the platform. -Dan On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > >> It's somewhat related....in terms of Resin, we actually don't have such >> a thing as a traditional EJB container - we have "aspects" such as >> transactions delivered via meta-data (e.g. @TransactionAttribute), the >> aspects are bound to an underlying implementation (e.g. transaction >> manager) and can be used in any component model including managed beans >> or EJB. The "EJB Lite" distinction is tenuous since you don't really >> need to use the EJB component model per se. > > > To be honest, I'm kind of confused myself now. Circling back to my initial > argument, the two options we provide in Java EE at this moment are: > > - a non-transactional "simple" managed bean or, > - an EJB session bean (which is, by default, transactional, and more) > > So if the developer wants a transactional bean without using an EJB > container, they have to use some sort of framework (or portable CDI > extension) to get it. To me, that is where Java EE falls apart. There needs > to be some middle of the road that the developer can get a transactional > bean out of the box OR we just need to say, if you want a transactional > bean, you have to use EJB w/ at least EJB lite, period. > > Why isn't the "simple" transactional bean something that Java EE can > provide. Clearly a use case is being ignored. > > -Dan > > p.s. The "simple" transactional bean would be a bean w/ > @TransactionAttribute and somehow @PersistenceContext would be supported on > the bean. > > -- > Dan Allen > Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action > Registered Linux User #231597 > > http://mojavelinux.com > http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen > -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen _______________________________________________ weld-dev mailing list weld-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev