Re: [weld-dev] My take on Spring3

Gavin, One thing to add to your comment is that they have done nothing to Spring Webflow, which on the cover, promises the scopes/context that Seam 2 delivered (primarily the conversation scope). I had the misfortune of being forced to use the Spring stack on one of my engagements, after having great success with Seam on another project. I can't explain how harrowing of an effort it was to get Webflow working even remotely like Seam (in Webflow all conversation scoped beans had to be manually defined in the xml). And the docs - yes there are some, but extremely minuscule for JSF integration and absolutely NO mention of necessary JSF 1.2 configuration, which I had to figure out on my own. I also had to make it work with Spring Security - this one is clunky and difficult to set up, no to mention buggy. Yes, the security was bumped to 3.0.0 and aligned with JSR-250, but where in the world are the docs?! There aren't any for 3.0, and the ones for 2.x aren't any better than the ones for Webflow. As a software architect who often gets to decide the technology stack (but sometimes gets overruled :( ), I look for a complete /ecosystem/ for the application I'm designing, not just individual pieces with big promises. I need stuff that works, works well, and works together. Not only that, I look for something simple, maintainable and maintained by a strong community. And my measure of strong community is the quality of documentation and access to knowledgeable resources, without support contracts. This is where Spring falls entire short of its promises, yet again. So my time and money are with CDI and Seam. Thanks for your advocacy and hard work! Piotr On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Gavin King <gavin.king(a)gmail.com <mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com>> wrote: http://www.infoq.com/news/2009/12/spring30#view_51440 -- Gavin King gavin.king(a)gmail.com <mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin http://hibernate.org http://seamframework.org _______________________________________________ weld-dev mailing list weld-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:weld-dev@lists.jboss.org> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ weld-dev mailing list weld-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev