Re: [weld-dev] (embedded JBoss plugin?) Re: persistence and transactions outside Java EE

Add the right Andrew :-) On 26 Nov 2009, at 04:44, Steven Boscarine wrote: > Hello Andrew > I looked at the page, but haven't yet stepped through the source code. > > Is there a means of launching the plugin outside of an integration test? > > Does this use JBoss6? > > I am trying to get a JEE equivalent of Jetty's behavior when you launch > 'mvn jetty:run' > > Thanks, > Steven > > Dan Allen wrote: >> Great points Steven. >> >> Btw, just to add to this discussion, Andrew Rubinger (who we just call >> ALR) just informed me of progress on running embedded JBoss from >> Maven. I haven't tried it yet because I am currently preparing for JSF >> Summit, but perhaps you'll have a chance to stomp on it after getting >> some turkey, Steven. Or anyone else. >> >> http://www.jboss.org/community/wiki/JBossEmbeddedASAutomationviaMaven >> >> It would be great to provide ALR with feedback early so that we can >> get this right. >> >> -Dan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Steven Boscarine >> <steven.boscarine(a)childrens.harvard.edu >> <mailto:steven.boscarine@childrens.harvard.edu>> wrote: >> >> Dan Allen wrote: >> >> You are correct that for various reasons, many developers are >> fixated on Tomcat and Jetty. However, I do believe that if >> there are embeddable Java EE alternatives, such as Embedded >> JBoss AS, then the grip on servlet containers will loosen. >> >> I agree with Dan very strongly. The sooner there's a JEE6 >> container that can be launched from maven, like Jetty or Tomcat >> can now, the "stickier" JEE6 will become and adoption rates will >> increase. >> The more steps in an evaluation that cannot be scripted the >> greater chance that the user will either make a mistake or find >> something else to do, like get back to work. :) >> >> IMO, a key group of developers you'd want to target are very busy >> people. For many of them, when they are evaluating new software, >> it is often at the expense of tasks that their management thinks >> is of higher priority. When they are checking out Weld or JSF2, >> they're often not doing what their manager wants them to do. >> If we make evaluating a technology easy and pleasant, I think >> they'll be more likely to want to go further and adopt the >> technology, tell their friends, train coworkers, contribute, >> schedule training, buy books, buy support contracts, hire >> consultants, etc. In my experience, busy developers are often >> employed by successful companies who have reasonable budgets. If >> the getting started procedure is frustrating, I think they're more >> likely to stop playing with new technology and just continue using >> their current technology (like struts or even pure JSP + >> Servlets), get back to work, etc. >> Currently, GlassFish v3 can be launched from Maven, but it was a >> side project by Koshuke Kawaguchi >> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2008/04/28/glassfish-v3-just-got-embeddable >> It is not as well documented as Jetty and doesn't auto-deploy >> modified classes. It even shares the same plugin name (but >> different package) as the official Glassfish plugin which controls >> a locally installed plugin, making the plugin very confusing. >> I heard a rumor JBoss is working on an embeddable version of >> JBossAS which will have a maven plugin which will download and run >> a container like the Tomcat plugin. The instant it resembles a >> working product, I'll happily include it in the archetypes as I >> think it'll go a long way towards increasing JEE6 adoption. It'll >> make writing applications much easier for the user and make >> documenting how to get started a breeze for contributers like me. >> Thanks, >> Steven >> >> PS-If anyone hasn't yet used the Tomcat/Jetty/Glassfish plugins, I >> have an old blog post explaining how to use them here: >> http://info.rmatics.org/2009/04/02/increasing-your-productivity-by-using-... >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Allen >> Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action >> Registered Linux User #231597 >> >> http://mojavelinux.com >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >> http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen > > _______________________________________________ > weld-dev mailing list > weld-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/weld-dev