Yeah, I hate it, but it probably does make sense. Send the proposal to the web beans group, I suppose. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Gavin, > > I have a suggestion for Web Beans regarding the convention used by the > @Named annotation. The nice part about this annotation is that it > doesn't require the use of a string value to create a name that maps > to the class name. In ~80% of cases, that is what people would do > anyway. However, for framework builders, I can see them wanting to > create fully-qualified names like in Seam to avoid naming conflicts. > Would it be reasonable to propose adding an attribute to the @Named > annotation that indicates the Java package should be prepended to the > calculated name? > > @Named(qualified = true) > > That would avoid people slipping into the non-type safe pattern of: > > @Named("org.jboss.seam.core.expressions") > > -Dan > > -- > Dan Allen > Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action > > http://mojavelinux.com > http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > > NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily > basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away > from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, > it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was > caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if > you feel that it did not reach my attention. > -- Gavin King gavin.king(a)gmail.com http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin http://hibernate.org http://seamframework.org

You could put the @Named annotation on package-info.java to have it apply to an entire package. In that case, you could go one of two directions. You could either say that a @Named on package-info.java enables qualified names for uses of @Named in that package OR you could say that it just acts as a setting, in which case you would still need @Named(qualified = true). Personally, I like the first way. -Dan On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > Perhaps a better idea is some archive-level setting to change the behavior > of @Named. Not sure... > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> Yeah, I hate it, but it probably does make sense. >> >> Send the proposal to the web beans group, I suppose. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> Gavin, >>> >>> I have a suggestion for Web Beans regarding the convention used by the >>> @Named annotation. The nice part about this annotation is that it >>> doesn't require the use of a string value to create a name that maps >>> to the class name. In ~80% of cases, that is what people would do >>> anyway. However, for framework builders, I can see them wanting to >>> create fully-qualified names like in Seam to avoid naming conflicts. >>> Would it be reasonable to propose adding an attribute to the @Named >>> annotation that indicates the Java package should be prepended to the >>> calculated name? >>> >>> @Named(qualified = true) >>> >>> That would avoid people slipping into the non-type safe pattern of: >>> >>> @Named("org.jboss.seam.core.expressions") >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Allen >>> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >>> >>> http://mojavelinux.com >>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >>> >>> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >>> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >>> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >>> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >>> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >>> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gavin King >> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >> http://hibernate.org >> http://seamframework.org >> > > > > -- > Gavin King > gavin.king(a)gmail.com > http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin > http://hibernate.org > http://seamframework.org > -- Dan Allen Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if you feel that it did not reach my attention. _______________________________________________ webbeans-dev mailing list webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > That's really not a bad idea. whoohoo! > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> You could put the @Named annotation on package-info.java to have it >> apply to an entire package. In that case, you could go one of two >> directions. You could either say that a @Named on package-info.java >> enables qualified names for uses of @Named in that package OR you >> could say that it just acts as a setting, in which case you would >> still need @Named(qualified = true). Personally, I like the first way. >> >> -Dan >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >>> Perhaps a better idea is some archive-level setting to change the behavior >>> of @Named. Not sure... >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >>>> Yeah, I hate it, but it probably does make sense. >>>> >>>> Send the proposal to the web beans group, I suppose. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> Gavin, >>>>> >>>>> I have a suggestion for Web Beans regarding the convention used by the >>>>> @Named annotation. The nice part about this annotation is that it >>>>> doesn't require the use of a string value to create a name that maps >>>>> to the class name. In ~80% of cases, that is what people would do >>>>> anyway. However, for framework builders, I can see them wanting to >>>>> create fully-qualified names like in Seam to avoid naming conflicts. >>>>> Would it be reasonable to propose adding an attribute to the @Named >>>>> annotation that indicates the Java package should be prepended to the >>>>> calculated name? >>>>> >>>>> @Named(qualified = true) >>>>> >>>>> That would avoid people slipping into the non-type safe pattern of: >>>>> >>>>> @Named("org.jboss.seam.core.expressions") >>>>> >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dan Allen >>>>> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >>>>> >>>>> http://mojavelinux.com >>>>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >>>>> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >>>>> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >>>>> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >>>>> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >>>>> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gavin King >>>> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >>>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >>>> http://hibernate.org >>>> http://seamframework.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gavin King >>> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >>> http://hibernate.org >>> http://seamframework.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Allen >> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >> >> http://mojavelinux.com >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >> >> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >> _______________________________________________ >> webbeans-dev mailing list >> webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev >> > > > > -- > Gavin King > gavin.king(a)gmail.com > http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin > http://hibernate.org > http://seamframework.org > -- Dan Allen Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if you feel that it did not reach my attention. _______________________________________________ webbeans-dev mailing list webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev

jsr-299-comments(a)jcp.org right? If so, no need to reply because that is where I directed the suggestion. However, if that isn't correct, let me know what is and I will redirect the e-mail. -Dan On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > Send the suggestion to the web beans EG. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >>> That's really not a bad idea. >> >> whoohoo! >> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> You could put the @Named annotation on package-info.java to have it >>>> apply to an entire package. In that case, you could go one of two >>>> directions. You could either say that a @Named on package-info.java >>>> enables qualified names for uses of @Named in that package OR you >>>> could say that it just acts as a setting, in which case you would >>>> still need @Named(qualified = true). Personally, I like the first way. >>>> >>>> -Dan >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> Perhaps a better idea is some archive-level setting to change the behavior >>>>> of @Named. Not sure... >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, I hate it, but it probably does make sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Send the proposal to the web beans group, I suppose. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> Gavin, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a suggestion for Web Beans regarding the convention used by the >>>>>>> @Named annotation. The nice part about this annotation is that it >>>>>>> doesn't require the use of a string value to create a name that maps >>>>>>> to the class name. In ~80% of cases, that is what people would do >>>>>>> anyway. However, for framework builders, I can see them wanting to >>>>>>> create fully-qualified names like in Seam to avoid naming conflicts. >>>>>>> Would it be reasonable to propose adding an attribute to the @Named >>>>>>> annotation that indicates the Java package should be prepended to the >>>>>>> calculated name? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Named(qualified = true) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would avoid people slipping into the non-type safe pattern of: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Named("org.jboss.seam.core.expressions") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dan Allen >>>>>>> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://mojavelinux.com >>>>>>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >>>>>>> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >>>>>>> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >>>>>>> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >>>>>>> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >>>>>>> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gavin King >>>>>> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >>>>>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >>>>>> http://hibernate.org >>>>>> http://seamframework.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gavin King >>>>> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >>>>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >>>>> http://hibernate.org >>>>> http://seamframework.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dan Allen >>>> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >>>> >>>> http://mojavelinux.com >>>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >>>> >>>> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >>>> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >>>> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >>>> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >>>> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >>>> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> webbeans-dev mailing list >>>> webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gavin King >>> gavin.king(a)gmail.com >>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin >>> http://hibernate.org >>> http://seamframework.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Allen >> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action >> >> http://mojavelinux.com >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >> >> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily >> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away >> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, >> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was >> caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if >> you feel that it did not reach my attention. >> _______________________________________________ >> webbeans-dev mailing list >> webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev >> > > > > -- > Gavin King > gavin.king(a)gmail.com > http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin > http://hibernate.org > http://seamframework.org > -- Dan Allen Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep me away from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for more than a week, it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if you feel that it did not reach my attention. _______________________________________________ webbeans-dev mailing list webbeans-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/webbeans-dev