It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll
get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell
as you desire, with no additional commands :)
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands
> (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also
> be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would
> just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class ;o)
>
>
> 2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com>
>
>> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge for
>> the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :
>>
>> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |
>> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...
>>
>> These are Java EE commands.
>>
>>
>> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install
>> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):
>>
>> [project] $ *[hit TAB]*
>> alias addon-remove echo
>> more unalias grep
>> project-new services-list
>> export build exit
>> pwd addon-build-and-install cd less
>> touch
>> addon-install ls rm
>> transaction-start
>> addon-new-command clear mkdir
>> scaffold-generate man
>>
>> [project] $ *addon-install --named javaee*
>>
>> [project] $ *[hit TAB]*
>> alias addon-remove echo
>> *faces-setup jpa-setup *
>> more scaffold-setup
>> unalias bean-validation-setup ejb-setup
>> grep jstl-setup
>> project-new services-list
>> export build exit
>> jax-ws-setup jta-setup pwd
>> servlet-setup
>> addon-build-and-install cd
>> faces-new-converter jms-setup less
>> rest-setup touch
>> addon-install cdi-setup
>> faces-new-validator jpa-new-entity ls
>> rm transaction-start
>> addon-new-command clear
>> faces-new-validator-method jpa-new-field mkdir
>> scaffold-generate man
>>
>>
>> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no
>> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring
>> commands....
>>
>> What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands
>> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,
>> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is
>> installed.
>>
>> Anotonio
>>
>>
>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald(a)redhat.com>
>>
>>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation
>>> in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a
>>> single addon for simplicity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd,
>>> ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new
>>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> But if I take your definition :
>>>>
>>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is
nothing
>>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>>>
>>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is
>>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of
>>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.
>>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.
>>>>
>>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if
one day we
>>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and
>>>> do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.
>>>>
>>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB,
by
>>>> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to
>>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with
>>>> no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge
>>>> -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm
>>>> lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i
>>>> javaee-addon.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Antonio!
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and
code
>>>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a
user,
>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to
it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing
>>>>> interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about
JSF. I
>>>>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4
and
>>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->
>>>>>
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407
>>>>>
>>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have
>>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of
scaffold type,
>>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:
>>>>>
>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-
>>>>>> scaffold-generate scaffold-setup
>>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.
>>>>>> 2.2 2.1 2.0
>>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB
>>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider
option, so
>>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:
>>>>>
>>>>> *[*main*]*$ scaffold-setup --provider Faces
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Lincoln
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>> antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I
first
>>>>>> need to install scaffolding :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> forge -i scaffold
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> scaffold-setup
>>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in
the
>>>>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST
endpoint, EJBs,
>>>>>> AngularJS....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding
and code
>>>>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a
user,
>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to
it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does
>>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF,
REST,
>>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it
installed. Why
>>>>>> don't we have :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf
>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa
>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest
>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention
>>>>>>
>>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold
>>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold
>>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold
>>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what
will
>>>>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me.
So command
>>>>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or
scaffold-scaffold.
>>>>>> Why not having :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jsf-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>> jpa-scaffold --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client
>>>>>> rest-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>> soap-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think ?
>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We
fixed that
>>>>>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate
the REST
>>>>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume
them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>> antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I
suppose
>>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional
too.
>>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might
be a bit
>>>>>>>> tight in schedule....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald(a)redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready
since Beta4.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the
IRC,
>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to
Lincoln.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing(a)gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday
(at the
>>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish
User Group), I'll be
>>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I
gave at JavaOne (
>>>>>>>>>
http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-...)
>>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the
only missing
>>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation
(
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)
>>>>>>>>> * Java enums
(
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)
>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on
Monday for a
>>>>>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>
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http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |
Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <
http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> |
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>
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http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |
Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>>>>>> | LinkedIn <
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>>>>>
http://ocpsoft.org
>>>>> "Simpler is better."
>>>>>
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>>>> --
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>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>
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>>>> | LinkedIn <
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>
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http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |
Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>>> | LinkedIn <
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>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>
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http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> |
Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>> | LinkedIn <
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>>
>
>
>
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>
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> | LinkedIn <
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