Re: [jboss-as7-dev] manual way to do logging?
On 06/07/2012 02:47 PM, Jim Crossley wrote:
[...]
> 1 is a strength so I'm assuming you're not arguing about
that.
Wow. That's pretty dismissive of the #1 reason he cites.
Sure I'm a polyglot and all, but sometimes I think you guys too readily
discount the cost of achieving the perceived benefits of type-safety.
"I want to log a message."
"Sure, just create an interface and add a method for it."
"I'm sorry, did you say 'interface'?"
"Yes, and don't forget to annotate it."
"WTF?"
I'll admit adding a method for every time you want to throw a
new
exception or log a message can be a PITA. The alternative isn't much
better in that you'd have to add a message to a resource bundle. Seems
pretty equal to me for the amount of time it would take and really it
being a PITA is a benefit. It's much easier to spot someone logging a
plain text message or throwing an exception when an interface is
required rather then every time you see one having to check if they also
put that message in a resource bundle. Trust me, many messages will slip
by from both sides being in a rush and just skipping it.
If having to create an interface method for each thing you want to log
doesn't exceed your "developer pain threshold" then it's set way too
high (or your IDE is numbing the pain) and that will inevitably lead to
complex, over-engineered systems.
So you have to acknowledge that cost before Bill or anyone not
intimately familiar with the logging requirements will appreciate how
much value he's getting. And it better be a crapload 'cause that cost is
HIGH!
Sorry to prolong the dialog, but you guys don't seem to be
communicating.
And I'm here to help ;-)
Jim
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