[jbosstools-dev] Fwd: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8

Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools release scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools

Werner On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:41 PM, <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org&gt; wrote: > Send ee4j-community mailing list submissions to > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ee4j-community-owner(a)eclipse.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ee4j-community digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > (Mike Milinkovich) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:41:27 -0500 > From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich(a)eclipse-foundation.org&gt; > To: ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > state of Java EE 8 > Message-ID: > <d3dcfe39-51d4-0274-c56e-8b04ed8c06fc(a)eclipse-foundation.org&gt; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote: > > Hi Werner, Hi Ryan, > > the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8 > > technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users. > > Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application > > by using comfortable tools. > > On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into > > the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep, > > using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my > > indication, that some significant locations are outdated > > and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The > > changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent. > > But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project > > has a road map, that could be published officially. > > @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8 > > compliant WTP-Plugin? > > No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the > wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists. > > > Best Regards, > > Alex > > > > Alexander Salvanos > > Goebenstr.5 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmai... > > D-53113 Bonn > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmai... > > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962 > > *Gesendet:*?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 17:41 Uhr > > *Von:*?"Werner Keil" <werner.keil(a)gmail.com&gt; > > *An:*?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org&gt; > > *Betreff:*?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > state of Java EE 8 > > Rudy, > > Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can > > be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support > > either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go > > EE4J/JakartaEE. > > The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE > > (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support) > > have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version. > > > > Werner > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>> wrote: > > > > Send ee4j-community mailing list submissions to > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ee4j-community-owner(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-owner@eclipse.org> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of ee4j-community digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > ? ?1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of? Java EE 8 > > ? ? ? (Werner Keil) > > ? ?2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > ? ? ? (Rudy De Busscher) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:49:33 +0100 > > From: Werner Keil <werner.keil(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com>> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > ? ? ? ? state of? ? ? ? Java EE 8 > > Message-ID: > > ? ? ? ? > > <CAAGawe3eWjNU70sRDC2z_+Q=bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ(a)mail.gmail.com > > <mailto:bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ@mail.gmail.com>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Alex, > > > > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's > > only the > > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called > > "Jakarta EE". > > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to > > the EE4J > > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed > > EE.next WG. > > > > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should > > not be a > > problem in most IDEs. > > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in > > most cases) > > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it > hardly > > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8 > > features each > > of the containers already supports. > > > > Werner > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM, > > <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>> wrote: > > > > > Send ee4j-community mailing list submissions to > > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org> > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > ee4j-community-owner(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-owner@eclipse.org> > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > > > than "Re: Contents of ee4j-community digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > >? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak) > > >? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos) > > >? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >? ? ? ?(reza_rahman) > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500 > > > From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak(a)gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>> > > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > > Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C@gmail.com>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Hi Alexander, > > >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support > > for Java EE. > > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is > > absolutely > > > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I > > would raise > > > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend > > checking out > > > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE > > training classes > > > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish > > > (integrated). > > > > > >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to > > be going > > > pretty well. > > > > > >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good. > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos > > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse > > Oxygen) is > > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8. > > > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP. > > > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated. > > > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean > > package" way is > > > offered. > > > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are > > been offered > > > in older versions. > > > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because > > not only > > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE, > > > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most > > widely used > > > IDE for Java EE. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > Alexander Salvanos > > > > Goebenstr.5 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > D-53113 Bonn > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > > > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ee4j-community mailing list > > > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or > > unsubscribe > > > from this list, visit > > > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/att > achments/ > > > 20180226/fa271a52/attachment.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100 > > > From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos(a)gmx.de > > <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> > > > To: ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > > Message-ID: > > > ?<trinity-ab9b7b05-b626-411e-acc1-68e491a78a11- > > > 1519727368905@3c-app-gmx-bs39> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/att > achments/ > > > 20180227/6a18a3fc/attachment.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500 > > > From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman(a)lycos.com > > <mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com>> > > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > > Message-ID: > > <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent > > support in > > > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of > > Jakarata EE for > > > the reasons stated. > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos < > > > salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29 > > AM? (GMT-05:00) To: > > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still > > > behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > > > ? > > > > > > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ > > as the IDE > > > for the consulters. > > > > > > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from > > the public > > > sector and cannot buy the expensive license. > > > > > > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were > > having > > > integrating our server. > > > > > > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in > > the market > > > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers. > > > > > > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year > > by the > > > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany. > > > > > > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse > > Foundation, it > > > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the > > Eclipse IDE. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr > > > > > > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak(a)gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>> > > > > > > An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > > > > > > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the > > current state of > > > Java EE 8 > > > > > > > > > Hi Alexander, > > > > > > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support > > for Java EE. > > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript > > > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many > > years now. I > > > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime > > recommend > > > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give > > Java EE > > > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and > > includes > > > GlassFish (integrated).? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to > > be going > > > pretty well.? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.? > > > > > > ? > > > > > > -Ryan > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos(a)gmx.de > > <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > ? > > > > > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse > > Oxygen) is > > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8. > > > > > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP. > > > > > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated. > > > > > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" > > way is > > > offered. > > > > > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been > > offered > > > in older versions. > > > > > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because > > not only > > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE, > > > > > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most > > widely used IDE > > > for Java EE. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexander Salvanos > > > > > > Goebenstr.5 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A... > > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A... > > > > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A... > D-53113 Bonn > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A... > > > > > > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > ee4j-community mailing list > > > > > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > > > > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or > > unsubscribe > > > from this list, visit > > > > > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ ee4j-community > > mailing > > > list ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> To change your delivery > > options, retrieve > > > your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit > > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/att > achments/ > > > 20180227/23773e56/attachment.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ee4j-community mailing list > > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or > > unsubscribe > > > from this list, visit > > > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > > > > > > > End of ee4j-community Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 > > > ********************************************* > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/att > achments/20180227/489fbe98/attachment.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:00:26 +0100 > > From: Rudy De Busscher <rdebusscher(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:rdebusscher@gmail.com>> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > ? ? ? ? state of Java EE 8 > > Message-ID: > > ? ? ? ? > > <CAL+wt-42xe-Qhoz+PnSXt7+-3CizriOW4srxL+ibCUo0-D1Uew(a)mail.gmail.com > > <mailto:CAL%2Bwt-42xe-Qhoz%2BPnSXt7%2B-3CizriOW4srxL%2BibCU > o0-D1Uew(a)mail.gmail.com&gt;&gt; > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Werner, > > > > Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven. > > But the > > purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete, > indicate > > errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated > > to Java > > EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will > > slow me > > down!). > > > > Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although > > I'm an > > IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch) > > > > Rudy > > > > On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's > > only the > > > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called > > "Jakarta EE". > > > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up > > to the EE4J > > > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed > > EE.next WG. > > > > > > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it > > should not be > > > a problem in most IDEs. > > > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in > > most cases) > > > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it > > hardly > > > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8 > > features each > > > of the containers already supports. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM, > > <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Send ee4j-community mailing list submissions to > > >> ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > >> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > >> ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org> > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> ee4j-community-owner(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community-owner@eclipse.org> > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of ee4j-community digest..." > > >> > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak) > > >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos) > > >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500 > > >> From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak(a)gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>> > > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > >> Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C@gmail.com>> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Alexander, > > >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support > > for Java > > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript > is > > >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many > > years now. I > > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime > > recommend > > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give > > Java EE > > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free > > and includes > > >> GlassFish (integrated). > > >> > > >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks > > to be going > > >> pretty well. > > >> > > >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good. > > >> > > >> -Ryan > > >> > > >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos > > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Colleagues, > > >> > > > >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse > > Oxygen) > > >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8. > > >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP. > > >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated. > > >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean > > package" way is > > >> offered. > > >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are > been > > >> offered in older versions. > > >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because > > not only > > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE, > > >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most > > widely used > > >> IDE for Java EE. > > >> > > > >> > Best Regards, > > >> > Alex > > >> > > > >> > Alexander Salvanos > > >> > Goebenstr.5 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > D-53113 Bonn > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-5311... > > >> > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962 > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > ee4j-community mailing list > > >> > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > >> > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or > > unsubscribe > > >> from this list, visit > > >> > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/ > > >> attachments/20180226/fa271a52/attachment.html> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Message: 2 > > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100 > > >> From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos(a)gmx.de > > <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> > > >> To: ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse > .org> > > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > >> Message-ID: > > >> ?<trinity-ab9b7b05-b626-411e-acc1-68e491a78a11-1519727368905@ > > >> 3c-app-gmx-bs39> > > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/ > > >> attachments/20180227/6a18a3fc/attachment.html> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500 > > >> From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman(a)lycos.com > > <mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com>> > > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current > > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8 > > >> Message-ID: > > <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> > > >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent > > support in > > >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of > > Jakarata EE for > > >> the reasons stated. > > >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos < > > >> salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29 > > AM? (GMT-05:00) To: > > >> ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org> > > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is > > >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8 > > >> Hi Ryan, > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ > > as the IDE > > >> for the consulters. > > >> > > >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from > the > > >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license. > > >> > > >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were > > having > > >> integrating our server. > > >> > > >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in > > the market > > >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers. > > >> > > >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year > > by the > > >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany. > > >> > > >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse > > Foundation, it > > >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the > > Eclipse IDE. > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> Kind Regards, > > >> > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr > > >> > > >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak(a)gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>> > > > >> > > >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the > > current state > > >> of Java EE 8 > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Alexander, > > >> > > >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support > > for Java > > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript > > >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many > > years now. I > > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime > > recommend > > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give > > Java EE > > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free > > and includes > > >> GlassFish (integrated).? > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks > > to be going > > >> pretty well.? > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.? > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> -Ryan > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos > > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote: > > >> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Colleagues, > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse > > Oxygen) is > > >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8. > > >> > > >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP. > > >> > > >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated. > > >> > > >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean > > package" way is > > >> offered. > > >> > > >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are > > been offered > > >> in older versions. > > >> > > >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because > > not only > > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE, > > >> > > >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most > > widely used > > >> IDE for Java EE. > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> Best Regards, > > >> > > >> Alex > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/private/ee4j-community/atta > chments/20180227/a0096692/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ee4j-community mailing list > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community > > > End of ee4j-community Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29 > ********************************************* > _______________________________________________ ee4j-community mailing list ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ee4j-community