Re: [Soa-tools-list] Re: some screen shots of the esb project wizard(contains pictures)
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:25:21 +0200, Denny Xu <dxu(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all
Here is some screen shots of the ESB project wizard, any feedback are
welcome.
1) Why does it say "Modify faceted project" in the header ?
2) There are no descriptions making it very hard to decipher for a user.
e.g. what does "java package name" means on an otherwise completely blank
wizard page ?
3) Not sure if templating should be the first thing to focus on. Can't we
do a pure hello world esb setup first?
>> ESB editor: this editor is trying to provide a compound
editor for
>> jboss-esb.xml , deployment.xml and queue-service.xml, just like
>> plugin xml editor.
I'm a jboss esb noob, but those three files are not a "companion" afaik.
Can't deployment.xml cover multiple esb.xml files and are they even
necessary in the same project in eclipse ?
/max
Monday, 11 August
Mon, 11 Aug
1:17 a.m.
New subject: some screen shots of the esb project wizard(contains pictures)
1) Why does it say "Modify faceted project" in the header
?
The wizard header has not been set, since I have not pay attention on the
details about the label or description,
it will be changed later.
2) There are no descriptions making it very hard to decipher for a
user.
e.g. what does "java package name" means on an otherwise completely blank
wizard page ?
In the latest design of the template framework, this page will be a users
controllable page through a
class attribute in the template extension, it will allow users to insert a new wizard
page.
The new screen shot or wiki page will be work out this week.
3) Not sure if templating should be the first thing to focus on.
Can't we do a pure hello world esb setup first?
We will provide a template framework(extension points), and some
templates(including a hello world esb)
will be predefined by extend the extension point.
>>> ESB editor: this editor is trying to provide a compound editor for
>>>
>>> jboss-esb.xml , deployment.xml and queue-service.xml, just like
>>>
>>> plugin xml editor.
>>>
I'm a jboss esb noob, but those three files are not a "companion" afaik.
Can't deployment.xml cover multiple esb.xml files and are they even necessary in the
same project in eclipse ?
The editor is trying to provide a UI to edit the three files, although they are
not a "companion",
they have associates through Queues sometime, and the default fact is: the deployment.xml
and queue-service.xml
are not exist, only after the user edit them, they will be generated then.
Denny
Wednesday, 13 August
Wed, 13 Aug
1:08 a.m.
New subject: some screen shots of the esb project wizard(contains pictures)
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:17:18 +0200, Denny Xu <dxu(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> 1) Why does it say "Modify faceted project" in the
header ?
>
The wizard header has not been set, since I have not pay attention on
the details about the label or description, it will be changed later.
Wizards are mostly for noobs and should thus be simple enough to use AND
understand
without descriptions or if the ui is complex have descriptions to explain
important parts
(the screenshot I see looked simple but were not all understandable
without descriptions)
> 2) There are no descriptions making it very hard to decipher for
a user.
> e.g. what does "java package name" means on an otherwise completely
> blank wizard page ?
>
In the latest design of the template framework, this page will be a
users controllable page through a class attribute in the template
extension, it will allow users to insert a new wizard page. The new
screen shot or wiki page will be work out this week.
I'll say this again: Please don't focus on template framework before we
have
a *simple* project creation wizard up and running. Lets do one thing first
that
can give the best feedback instead of waiting for template framework to
fall in to place.
> 3) Not sure if templating should be the first thing to focus on.
Can't
> we do a pure hello world esb setup first?
>
We will provide a template framework(extension points), and some
templates(including a hello world esb) will be predefined by extend the
extension point.
Read my previous comment!
>>>> ESB editor: this editor is trying to provide a
compound editor for
>>>> jboss-esb.xml , deployment.xml and queue-service.xml, just
>>>> like
>>>> plugin xml editor.
>>>>
> I'm a jboss esb noob, but those three files are not a "companion"
afaik.
> Can't deployment.xml cover multiple esb.xml files and are they even
> necessary in the same project in eclipse ?
>
The editor is trying to provide a UI to edit the three files, although
they are not a "companion", they have associates through Queues
sometime, and the default fact is: the deployment.xml and
queue-service.xml are not exist, only after the user edit them, they
will be generated then.
Just because they refer to the same names does not mean it makes sense to
put it in the same editor.
Again, if deployment.xml can cover multiple esb.xml files what is the
usage of having an editor that
is limted to a fixed set of these files ? (again, if deployment.xml only
works for a *single* esb.xml AND
it is always in the same project then I can see it making sense - but that
is not the case is it?)
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