7:53 a.m.
FYI - here's another place we can consider stepping up to provide support
for the Java Enterprise world, as IBM steps back.
Nick
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms(a)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of
Java EE 8
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org>
Hi,
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools
release
scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train:
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools
There basically always is, but there's not really a plan published (see
same project site). I got the idea a lot of the focus at Red Hat these days
is to support the AngularJS tooling that Red Hat is working on, but I'm not
100% sure.
Nick from Red Hat (https://github.com/nickboldt) is the biggest committer
at the moment for WTP: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools/who
This gives some overview of the activity per repo:
https://github.com/eclipse?utf8=✓&q=webtools
Specifically for Java EE the following are interesting I think:
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.javaee/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.servertools/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.jsf/commits/master
Quickly glancing through the commits I don't think even JSF 2.2 (Java EE 7)
support has yet be worked on, and certainly not JSF 2.3.
I've bcc'ed the PMC and committers Nick and John.
@Elson, could you perhaps shed some light on the EE 7/EE 8 support plans
for WTP?
Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
Werner
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:41:27 -0500
> From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich(a)eclipse-foundation.org>
> To: ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> state of Java EE 8
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> On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote:
> > Hi Werner, Hi Ryan,
> > the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8
> > technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users.
> > Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application
> > by using comfortable tools.
> > On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into
> > the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep,
> > using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my
> > indication, that some significant locations are outdated
> > and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The
> > changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent.
> > But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project
> > has a road map, that could be published officially.
> > @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8
> > compliant WTP-Plugin?
>
> No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the
> wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists.
>
> > Best Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > Alexander Salvanos
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> > *Von:*?"Werner Keil" <werner.keil(a)gmail.com>
> > *An:*?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org>
> > *Betreff:*?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > state of Java EE 8
> > Rudy,
> > Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can
> > be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support
> > either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go
> > EE4J/JakartaEE.
> > The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE
> > (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support)
> > have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org
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> > ? ? ? (Rudy De Busscher)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:49:33 +0100
> > From: Werner Keil <werner.keil(a)gmail.com
> > <mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com>>
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> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > ? ? ? ? state of? ? ? ? Java EE 8
> > Message-ID:
> > ? ? ? ?
> > <CAAGawe3eWjNU70sRDC2z_+Q=bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ(a)mail.gmail.com
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> > Alex,
> >
> > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
> > only the
> > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
> > "Jakarta EE".
> > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to
> > the EE4J
> > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
> > EE.next WG.
> >
> > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should
> > not be a
> > problem in most IDEs.
> > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
> > most cases)
> > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
> hardly
> > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
> > features each
> > of the containers already supports.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
> > <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org
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> > >? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
> > >? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
> > >? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
> > > From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
> > > Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C(a)gmail.com
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> > >
> > > Hi Alexander,
> > >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
> > for Java EE.
> > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is
> > absolutely
> > > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I
> > would raise
> > > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend
> > checking out
> > > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE
> > training classes
> > > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish
> > > (integrated).
> > >
> > >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
> > be going
> > > pretty well.
> > >
> > >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> > > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
> > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with
Eclipse
> > Oxygen) is
> > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> > > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> > > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> > > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
> > package" way is
> > > offered.
> > > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
> > been offered
> > > in older versions.
> > > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
> > not only
> > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> > > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
> > widely used
> > > IDE for Java EE.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > Alexander Salvanos
> > > > Goebenstr.5
>
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> > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
> > > From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman(a)lycos.com
> > <mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com>>
> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
> > support in
> > > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
> > Jakarata EE for
> > > the reasons stated.
> > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> > > -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
> > > salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
> > AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
> > > ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still
> > > behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > > Hi Ryan,
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
> > as the IDE
> > > for the consulters.
> > >
> > > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
> > the public
> > > sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
> > >
> > > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
> > having
> > > integrating our server.
> > >
> > > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
> > the market
> > > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
> > >
> > > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
> > by the
> > > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
> > >
> > > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
> > Foundation, it
> > > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
> > Eclipse IDE.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
> > >
> > > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > An:?"EE4J community discussions"
<ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
>
> > >
> > > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
> > current state of
> > > Java EE 8
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alexander,
> > >
> > > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
> > for Java EE.
> > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
> > > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
> > years now. I
> > > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
> > recommend
> > > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
> > Java EE
> > > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and
> > includes
> > > GlassFish (integrated).?
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
> > be going
> > > pretty well.?
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos(a)gmx.de
> > <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with
Eclipse
> > Oxygen) is
> > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> > >
> > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> > >
> > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> > >
> > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
package"
> > way is
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
> > offered
> > > in older versions.
> > >
> > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
> > not only
> > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> > >
> > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
> > widely used IDE
> > > for Java EE.
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alexander Salvanos
> > >
> > > Goebenstr.5
>
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:00:26 +0100
> > From: Rudy De Busscher <rdebusscher(a)gmail.com
> > <mailto:rdebusscher@gmail.com>>
> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > ? ? ? ? state of Java EE 8
> > Message-ID:
> > ? ? ? ?
> > <CAL+wt-42xe-Qhoz+PnSXt7+-3CizriOW4srxL+ibCUo0-D1Uew(a)mail.gmail.com
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> >
> > Werner,
> >
> > Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven.
> > But the
> > purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete,
> indicate
> > errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated
> > to Java
> > EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will
> > slow me
> > down!).
> >
> > Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although
> > I'm an
> > IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)
> >
> > Rudy
> >
> > On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil(a)gmail.com
> > <mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
> > only the
> > > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
> > "Jakarta EE".
> > > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up
> > to the EE4J
> > > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
> > EE.next WG.
> > >
> > > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it
> > should not be
> > > a problem in most IDEs.
> > > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
> > most cases)
> > > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
> > hardly
> > > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
> > features each
> > > of the containers already supports.
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
> > <ee4j-community-request(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org>>
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> > >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
> > >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
> > >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
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> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
> > >> From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
> > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
> > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
> > >> Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C(a)gmail.com
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> > >>
> > >> Hi Alexander,
> > >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
> > for Java
> > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
> is
> > >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
> > years now. I
> > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
> > recommend
> > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
> > Java EE
> > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
> > and includes
> > >> GlassFish (integrated).
> > >>
> > >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
> > to be going
> > >> pretty well.
> > >>
> > >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
> > >>
> > >> -Ryan
> > >>
> > >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
> > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>>
>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear Colleagues,
> > >> >
> > >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers"
(with Eclipse
> > Oxygen)
> > >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> > >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> > >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> > >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
> > package" way is
> > >> offered.
> > >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
> been
> > >> offered in older versions.
> > >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
> > not only
> > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> > >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
> > widely used
> > >> IDE for Java EE.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best Regards,
> > >> > Alex
> > >> >
> > >> > Alexander Salvanos
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> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
> > >> From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos(a)gmx.de
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> > >> Message: 3
> > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
> > >> From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman(a)lycos.com
> > <mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com>>
> > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
> > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
> > >> Message-ID:
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> > >>
> > >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
> > support in
> > >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
> > Jakarata EE for
> > >> the reasons stated.
> > >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> > >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
> > >> salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18?
5:29
> > AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
> > >> ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
<mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is
> > >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> > >> Hi Ryan,
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
> > as the IDE
> > >> for the consulters.
> > >>
> > >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
> the
> > >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
> > >>
> > >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
> > having
> > >> integrating our server.
> > >>
> > >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
> > the market
> > >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
> > >>
> > >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
> > by the
> > >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
> > >>
> > >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
> > Foundation, it
> > >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
> > Eclipse IDE.
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Kind Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Alex
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
> > >>
> > >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com
> >>
> > >>
> > >> An:?"EE4J community discussions"
<ee4j-community(a)eclipse.org
> > <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
>
> > >>
> > >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
> > current state
> > >> of Java EE 8
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Alexander,
> > >>
> > >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
> > for Java
> > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
> > >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
> > years now. I
> > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
> > recommend
> > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
> > Java EE
> > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
> > and includes
> > >> GlassFish (integrated).?
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
> > to be going
> > >> pretty well.?
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> -Ryan
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
> > <salvanos(a)gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear Colleagues,
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with
Eclipse
> > Oxygen) is
> > >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> > >>
> > >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> > >>
> > >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> > >>
> > >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
> > package" way is
> > >> offered.
> > >>
> > >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
> > been offered
> > >> in older versions.
> > >>
> > >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
> > not only
> > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> > >>
> > >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
> > widely used
> > >> IDE for Java EE.
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Alex
> >
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8:30 a.m.
At least, it's very important to make WTP a welcoming place for potential
new contributors. With Eclipse Jakarta EE, that increases chances of
Eclipse IDE being perceived as the "official" tool for Jakarta EE like
NetBeans was for Java EE and of having more contributors chiming in. We
must not miss any opportunity to get new contributors to WTP.
I think it would be worth getting in touch with the Middleware team to see
if they can or want help in improving support for Jakarta EE in Eclipse
IDE. I don't expect any specific help from Red Hat Developers as its goals
seem to exclude every IDE that's not Che or VSCode these days.
Also, some support for recent Java EE is part of JBoss Tools, and while I
presented which ones could be moved upstream in last F2F, the overall
reaction from Red Hat Developers PM was that it's not worth it. Maybe it's
worth it for Middleware now, so if we have an opportunity to get additional
resources (from Middleware) to move some code from JBoss Tools to
Eclipse.org, that would really be a positive move for everyone.
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