Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway

Great.. i will try to take a look on that and give you some estimations.. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt;wrote: > I would recommend reading pages 292 and 436. > > Thanks, > > Antoine > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > >> Can you please point me in the spec (Pages) so I can review it and give >> you some feedback and estimations? >> I'm pretty sure that we can use a complex converging gateway to cover >> that features, but I would like to be sure that we are talking about the >> same thing. >> Cheers >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt;wrote: >> >>> The BPMN spec contains the business requirements and the description of >>> the functionality of this construct. >>> Anurag also explained the functionality in this thread. >>> >>> The questions we have for the jBPM team are: >>> -is this construct on the roadmap ? if yes, for which release ? >>> -if yes, is there a way to track its development ? >>> -Overall, what would the work consist and how hard is it to implement ? >>> >>> Please advise. >>> >>> Antoine >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: >>> >>>> That's what I mention. it can be easy to implement most of the times >>>> but there are also some complex business use case that can complicate the >>>> generic approaches. >>>> Looking at a concrete use case will help a lot to understand what do >>>> you want to achieve. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, mardo <mardo(a)abicola.de&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there,**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> just some general remarks from my side:**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> the semantics and implementation of the inclusive OR-join are far from >>>>> trivial. See e.g. references below.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/331BE249A11C1B... >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> http://www.springerlink.com/content/97413825k6141332/**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> However, I’d be interested in the concrete business requirement you >>>>> have for modeling, since from my experience you can cover a very large part >>>>> of regular requirements just using the “simple” gateways.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Best**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Markus**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> *From:* jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto: >>>>> jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Mauricio Salatino >>>>> *Sent:* Freitag, 12. August 2011 14:21 >>>>> *To:* Anurag Aggarwal >>>>> *Cc:* jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Hi Anurag,**** >>>>> >>>>> Based on your description I think that I'm understanding what do you >>>>> want to do now. **** >>>>> >>>>> Right now the behaviors implemented in jBPM5 are XOR and AND. **** >>>>> >>>>> I think what you want to implement is N of M converging gateway, as it >>>>> was in Drools Flow? Am I right?**** >>>>> >>>>> You want to wait 2 of the 3 branches that you have to propagate the >>>>> execution? **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Cheers**** >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mauricio,**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> If an an AND converging gateway has n incoming branches, it expects >>>>> that all incoming have been triggered and when it is so - it calls >>>>> triggerCompleted (so that the rest of the process can continue)**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> In case of OR converging, lets assume a process**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> branch1 **** >>>>> >>>>> / \**** >>>>> >>>>> OR (diverging) - branch 2 - OR (converging)**** >>>>> >>>>> \ /**** >>>>> >>>>> branch 3**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> now any of branches may be triggered, OR converging has to wait for >>>>> all branches that were actually triggered (say branch1 and branch 3). But >>>>> the problem is it does not know which branches were triggered (for AND it >>>>> was easier - just wait for all branches to be triggered). here in case of OR >>>>> - we don't know to continue to wait for branch 2 or not**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Anurag**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **** >>>>> >>>>> Hi Antoine,**** >>>>> >>>>> So do you want to implement and OR or and AND converging gateway, by >>>>> the description it looks like and AND converging gateway. Is there any >>>>> differences with the AND converging gateway that is currently implemented in >>>>> jBPM5? **** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Cheers**** >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mauricio, that's an OR converging gateway.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mauricio Salatino < >>>>> salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys.. that's the AND Converging gateway right?**** >>>>> >>>>> The AND waits for all the branches that are converging before >>>>> propagate.**** >>>>> >>>>> If that's not what you are looking for it should be very easy to >>>>> implement.. and probably you can model that with the complex converge >>>>> gateway.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Cheers.**** >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Broadcasting to list in case other committers have an insight ?**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Antoine**** >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>>> wrote:**** >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kris, >>>>> >>>>> How are you >>>>> >>>>> Recently one of our requirements came up for converging IOR gateway, >>>>> this is the gateway which according to bpmn specification syncs up on all >>>>> upstream tokens and propagates token when no upstream token is left >>>>> >>>>> Currently jbpm does not support this construct, I was wondering if >>>>> jbom has this in roadmap and if you can give some advice on difficulty and >>>>> state of implementation >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Anurag**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev**** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com**** >>>>> >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> > -- - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -