Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway

I would recommend reading pages 292 and 436. Thanks, Antoine On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > Can you please point me in the spec (Pages) so I can review it and give > you some feedback and estimations? > I'm pretty sure that we can use a complex converging gateway to cover that > features, but I would like to be sure that we are talking about the same > thing. > Cheers > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt;wrote: > >> The BPMN spec contains the business requirements and the description of >> the functionality of this construct. >> Anurag also explained the functionality in this thread. >> >> The questions we have for the jBPM team are: >> -is this construct on the roadmap ? if yes, for which release ? >> -if yes, is there a way to track its development ? >> -Overall, what would the work consist and how hard is it to implement ? >> >> Please advise. >> >> Antoine >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: >> >>> That's what I mention. it can be easy to implement most of the times but >>> there are also some complex business use case that can complicate the >>> generic approaches. >>> Looking at a concrete use case will help a lot to understand what do you >>> want to achieve. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, mardo <mardo(a)abicola.de&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there,**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> just some general remarks from my side:**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> the semantics and implementation of the inclusive OR-join are far from >>>> trivial. See e.g. references below.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> >>>> http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/331BE249A11C1B... >>>> **** >>>> >>>> http://www.springerlink.com/content/97413825k6141332/**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> However, I’d be interested in the concrete business requirement you >>>> have for modeling, since from my experience you can cover a very large part >>>> of regular requirements just using the “simple” gateways.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Best**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Markus**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto: >>>> jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Mauricio Salatino >>>> *Sent:* Freitag, 12. August 2011 14:21 >>>> *To:* Anurag Aggarwal >>>> *Cc:* jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Hi Anurag,**** >>>> >>>> Based on your description I think that I'm understanding what do you >>>> want to do now. **** >>>> >>>> Right now the behaviors implemented in jBPM5 are XOR and AND. **** >>>> >>>> I think what you want to implement is N of M converging gateway, as it >>>> was in Drools Flow? Am I right?**** >>>> >>>> You want to wait 2 of the 3 branches that you have to propagate the >>>> execution? **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Cheers**** >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Hi Mauricio,**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> If an an AND converging gateway has n incoming branches, it expects >>>> that all incoming have been triggered and when it is so - it calls >>>> triggerCompleted (so that the rest of the process can continue)**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> In case of OR converging, lets assume a process**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> branch1 **** >>>> >>>> / \**** >>>> >>>> OR (diverging) - branch 2 - OR (converging)**** >>>> >>>> \ /**** >>>> >>>> branch 3**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> now any of branches may be triggered, OR converging has to wait for all >>>> branches that were actually triggered (say branch1 and branch 3). But the >>>> problem is it does not know which branches were triggered (for AND it was >>>> easier - just wait for all branches to be triggered). here in case of OR - >>>> we don't know to continue to wait for branch 2 or not**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Regards, Anurag**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Hi Antoine,**** >>>> >>>> So do you want to implement and OR or and AND converging gateway, by >>>> the description it looks like and AND converging gateway. Is there any >>>> differences with the AND converging gateway that is currently implemented in >>>> jBPM5? **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Cheers**** >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Hi Mauricio, that's an OR converging gateway.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Hi guys.. that's the AND Converging gateway right?**** >>>> >>>> The AND waits for all the branches that are converging before >>>> propagate.**** >>>> >>>> If that's not what you are looking for it should be very easy to >>>> implement.. and probably you can model that with the complex converge >>>> gateway.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Cheers.**** >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Broadcasting to list in case other committers have an insight ?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Antoine**** >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Hi Kris, >>>> >>>> How are you >>>> >>>> Recently one of our requirements came up for converging IOR gateway, >>>> this is the gateway which according to bpmn specification syncs up on all >>>> upstream tokens and propagates token when no upstream token is left >>>> >>>> Currently jbpm does not support this construct, I was wondering if jbom >>>> has this in roadmap and if you can give some advice on difficulty and state >>>> of implementation >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Anurag**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com**** >>>> >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> >> > > > -- > - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com > - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar > > - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - > >