DG> The only reason I can think of is that UIData is also (potentially, DG> anyway) a container of inputs. But so are panels, and they, DG> evidently, are excluded. Why? EB> No, it does not mean that *only* those components will deliver those EB> events. It means that in the case of components who are iterating EB> components, the event must be published before, or after, the child EB> component processing. This is true for any components that have EB> children. I will revise the documentation to be as follows. EB> EB> PostValidateEvent EB> EB> Components with children must publish this event after processing their EB> child nodes in processValidators. This is especially important for EB> iterating components such as UIData and form components, such as UIForm. EB> EB> PreValidateEvent EB> EB> Components with children must publish this before after processing their EB> child nodes in processValidators. This is especially important for EB> iterating components such as UIData and form components, such as UIForm. Ed -- | edward.burns(a)oracle.com | office: +1 407 458 0017 | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/ | 8 work days until German Oracle User's Group Conference