Thanks for carrying the torch Ed. It's nice to have an entry that puts the well-known anti-JSF articles on the web into context. Namely, that they were calls to action for changes that have since happened. In fact, it's a good way to document that the calls were answered ;) One of the comments on your blog really sums up the outstanding problem, that there is a bias against JSF in the same way that there is a bias against Java EE. We have a legacy, and we much work to shake that off. The best way to do so is to keep progress coming and to shine the spotlight on the usability of JSF 2 and JSF 2.next. Remember, it's okay to say "we can still do more to make that easier". No shame in wanting to improve. -Dan -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen