JL> Ryan and I had the same discussion on IRC. Makes sense, I guess, but JL> I wish there were a way around that. :| Yes, and this complexity is why we punted on having @FacesPhaseListener. Because we expect people to use SystemEventListener for this sort of thing now, I think we should let the decision to not have @FacesPhaseListener stand. Ed -- | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/