In 3.2.1 the spec says that @Entity/orm.xml entities aren't simple beans. I think that this requirement should be adjusted to be a bit more generic and say that any classes defined as entities by your JPA provider aren't simple beans. This seems more consistent with the idea - why would @Entity classes not be simple beans but e.g. .hbm.xml classes be simple beans? -- Pete Muir http://www.seamframework.org http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete