[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1190?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.s... ] Jim Tyrrell commented on AS7-1190: ---------------------------------- I would think those pages would have instructions on what it takes to run: my own hibernate version that I have shipped in my war for years my own random jar files, that we happen to use, different versions in our app container spring jar files that require some magic to run I would think the above, could/should: Generate clear error messages pointing me to good googleable terms to search on how to fix things, ie error codes. Might even change how the application is loaded, and tell me what to change config file wise. Something else, not sure what that is. I would think some documentation around class loaded isolation would be provided, if that is what is required. I have to admit I am so lost with the thin documentation, I am not even sure what I am asking for. Is it enough to ask for war file first class loaded, I just don't know. Sorry. I have some instructions that I need to try from this thread from earlier today, that I was sent privately, and need to make sense of them. I do not think the instructions as they sit above get me on the path to what I need based on what I have in that email, so we have a gap, but I do not know enough to write that up just yet. Let me play with that stuff tomorrow and maybe I will look at it in the context of these docs, and try to make some sense of this all. The other comments on the docs, we are mixing ear, war, Class Loading Precedence, Automatic Dependencies and more in other words we are crossing so many things, I get lost as to what pieces go with what other pieces, just as has been a problem with our docs since the beginning of time. Not sure how we fix that. I call it the kitchen sink, we kinda document everything, in the hopes it covers what users need, and in my experience that has not worked for our paying customers. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira