So, I'm in that nebulous middle ground of developer experience. I've put a few systems into production but I'm no guru. I've done enough work to appreciate the things that tools like Seam, Hibernate and the JBoss AS offer. I've worked with the JBoss AS before. I've read a lot about Seam and played around with some of the tutorials. I desperately need an ORM solution beyond my home-rolled version at work (not that I'll ever get time to do it there!) Since JBoss Tools looks to be a full stack in one go it seems like a great starting point. However, I know from experience that setting up a development environment is, well, a bitch. So I saw JBDS and figured that'd be a great point to start. Though, considering this would be out of my own pocket I'm not in a huge hurry to shell out $99. So, my question to you guys is this: Given there's a brand new release of JBoss Tools and my relative inexperience would I be spending more than, say, 8 hours or so more trying to set up JBoss Tools on Eclipse than I would just buying a subscription to JBDS? Does JBDS have any other advantages over home rolling my own environment (besides picking and choosing my parts. I'm actually interested in almost all of the pieces of JBDS)? Is this even the right place for a post like this?! I'm looking forward to getting started and I'd appreciate any help I can get! View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4223162#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...