Thank you for your replies. With regard to the scope, I had tried it several ways, but predominantly like this: @Out(required=false) private boolean newObject; What is the default scope for outjection? I couldn't find it in the docs. Furthermore, why wouldn't the expression find it in any scope? And, most important, why it is seen with the h:output and not c:f? I suppose the problem is, like you say, mixing JSF and JSTL. Similar code has worked for us, but I guess, the results are unpredictable, as many say. I will try wrapping the ui:include in an h:panelGroup. I just wonder why the attribute is not supported. I thought all decendants of ui:component supported it. I am really mostly concerned with how these things work, rather than just what works and what doesn't. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3982083#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...