Hi bfo81, I enjoyed reading your post - well done. You asked about how to run into a LIE: anonymous wrote : | Seam Managed Persistence Context | I must confess that I never ran into LazyInitializationExceptions (abbr. LIE). I use an Extended Persistence Context in a Conversation scoped Stateful Session Bean. And when accessing related entities the EntityManager lazily fetches them without complaint. Don't ask me why. Maybe you can add a case where the LIE occurs. I just wrote a post, which seems to be closely connected to the issues which touch upon and exposes a LIE. I think you will enjoy reading it, even though its a bit lengthy. http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=96021 View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3990114#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...