Now I don't think it's in my code. I have checked it over. I have it working in a test case but not in a case where the entities are actually persistent. Hmm. Seam holds great promise, but for now is fragile and has almost no possibility of debugging these things. There's no way to tell which objects are being handled in the page or what is happening in the assign values phase of JSF. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3991114#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...