Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway

The BPMN spec contains the business requirements and the description of the functionality of this construct. Anurag also explained the functionality in this thread. The questions we have for the jBPM team are: -is this construct on the roadmap ? if yes, for which release ? -if yes, is there a way to track its development ? -Overall, what would the work consist and how hard is it to implement ? Please advise. Antoine On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > That's what I mention. it can be easy to implement most of the times but > there are also some complex business use case that can complicate the > generic approaches. > Looking at a concrete use case will help a lot to understand what do you > want to achieve. > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, mardo <mardo(a)abicola.de&gt; wrote: > >> Hi there,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> just some general remarks from my side:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> the semantics and implementation of the inclusive OR-join are far from >> trivial. See e.g. references below.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/331BE249A11C1B... >> **** >> >> http://www.springerlink.com/content/97413825k6141332/**** >> >> ** ** >> >> However, I’d be interested in the concrete business requirement you have >> for modeling, since from my experience you can cover a very large part of >> regular requirements just using the “simple” gateways.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Best**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Markus**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto: >> jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Mauricio Salatino >> *Sent:* Freitag, 12. August 2011 14:21 >> *To:* Anurag Aggarwal >> *Cc:* jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> *Subject:* Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hi Anurag,**** >> >> Based on your description I think that I'm understanding what do you want >> to do now. **** >> >> Right now the behaviors implemented in jBPM5 are XOR and AND. **** >> >> I think what you want to implement is N of M converging gateway, as it >> was in Drools Flow? Am I right?**** >> >> You want to wait 2 of the 3 branches that you have to propagate the >> execution? **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi Mauricio,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If an an AND converging gateway has n incoming branches, it expects that >> all incoming have been triggered and when it is so - it calls >> triggerCompleted (so that the rest of the process can continue)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> In case of OR converging, lets assume a process**** >> >> ** ** >> >> branch1 **** >> >> / \**** >> >> OR (diverging) - branch 2 - OR (converging)**** >> >> \ /**** >> >> branch 3**** >> >> ** ** >> >> now any of branches may be triggered, OR converging has to wait for all >> branches that were actually triggered (say branch1 and branch 3). But the >> problem is it does not know which branches were triggered (for AND it was >> easier - just wait for all branches to be triggered). here in case of OR - >> we don't know to continue to wait for branch 2 or not**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards, Anurag**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> Hi Antoine,**** >> >> So do you want to implement and OR or and AND converging gateway, by the >> description it looks like and AND converging gateway. Is there any >> differences with the AND converging gateway that is currently implemented in >> jBPM5? **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi Mauricio, that's an OR converging gateway.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi guys.. that's the AND Converging gateway right?**** >> >> The AND waits for all the branches that are converging before propagate. >> **** >> >> If that's not what you are looking for it should be very easy to >> implement.. and probably you can model that with the complex converge >> gateway.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers.**** >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >> wrote:**** >> >> Broadcasting to list in case other committers have an insight ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Antoine**** >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >> wrote:**** >> >> Hi Kris, >> >> How are you >> >> Recently one of our requirements came up for converging IOR gateway, this >> is the gateway which according to bpmn specification syncs up on all >> upstream tokens and propagates token when no upstream token is left >> >> Currently jbpm does not support this construct, I was wondering if jbom >> has this in roadmap and if you can give some advice on difficulty and state >> of implementation >> >> Regards, >> Anurag**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev**** >> >> >> >> >> -- >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> >> -- >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> >> >> -- >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com**** >> >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> >> > > > -- > - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com > - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org > - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar > > - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - > > > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing list > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > > _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev