Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway

Can you please point me in the spec (Pages) so I can review it and give you some feedback and estimations? I'm pretty sure that we can use a complex converging gateway to cover that features, but I would like to be sure that we are talking about the same thing. Cheers On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt;wrote: > The BPMN spec contains the business requirements and the description of > the functionality of this construct. > Anurag also explained the functionality in this thread. > > The questions we have for the jBPM team are: > -is this construct on the roadmap ? if yes, for which release ? > -if yes, is there a way to track its development ? > -Overall, what would the work consist and how hard is it to implement ? > > Please advise. > > Antoine > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > >> That's what I mention. it can be easy to implement most of the times but >> there are also some complex business use case that can complicate the >> generic approaches. >> Looking at a concrete use case will help a lot to understand what do you >> want to achieve. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, mardo <mardo(a)abicola.de&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi there,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> just some general remarks from my side:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> the semantics and implementation of the inclusive OR-join are far from >>> trivial. See e.g. references below.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/papers/331BE249A11C1B... >>> **** >>> >>> http://www.springerlink.com/content/97413825k6141332/**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> However, I’d be interested in the concrete business requirement you have >>> for modeling, since from my experience you can cover a very large part of >>> regular requirements just using the “simple” gateways.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Best**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Markus**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto: >>> jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Mauricio Salatino >>> *Sent:* Freitag, 12. August 2011 14:21 >>> *To:* Anurag Aggarwal >>> *Cc:* jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> *Subject:* Re: [jbpm-dev] Re- IOR gateway**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Hi Anurag,**** >>> >>> Based on your description I think that I'm understanding what do you >>> want to do now. **** >>> >>> Right now the behaviors implemented in jBPM5 are XOR and AND. **** >>> >>> I think what you want to implement is N of M converging gateway, as it >>> was in Drools Flow? Am I right?**** >>> >>> You want to wait 2 of the 3 branches that you have to propagate the >>> execution? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Cheers**** >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi Mauricio,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> If an an AND converging gateway has n incoming branches, it expects that >>> all incoming have been triggered and when it is so - it calls >>> triggerCompleted (so that the rest of the process can continue)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> In case of OR converging, lets assume a process**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> branch1 **** >>> >>> / \**** >>> >>> OR (diverging) - branch 2 - OR (converging)**** >>> >>> \ /**** >>> >>> branch 3**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> now any of branches may be triggered, OR converging has to wait for all >>> branches that were actually triggered (say branch1 and branch 3). But the >>> problem is it does not know which branches were triggered (for AND it was >>> easier - just wait for all branches to be triggered). here in case of OR - >>> we don't know to continue to wait for branch 2 or not**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Regards, Anurag**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:**** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Hi Antoine,**** >>> >>> So do you want to implement and OR or and AND converging gateway, by the >>> description it looks like and AND converging gateway. Is there any >>> differences with the AND converging gateway that is currently implemented in >>> jBPM5? **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Cheers**** >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi Mauricio, that's an OR converging gateway.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi guys.. that's the AND Converging gateway right?**** >>> >>> The AND waits for all the branches that are converging before propagate. >>> **** >>> >>> If that's not what you are looking for it should be very easy to >>> implement.. and probably you can model that with the complex converge >>> gateway.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Cheers.**** >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Antoine Toulme <atoulme(a)intalio.com&gt; >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Broadcasting to list in case other committers have an insight ?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Antoine**** >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Anurag Aggarwal <anurag(a)intalio.com&gt; >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi Kris, >>> >>> How are you >>> >>> Recently one of our requirements came up for converging IOR gateway, >>> this is the gateway which according to bpmn specification syncs up on all >>> upstream tokens and propagates token when no upstream token is left >>> >>> Currently jbpm does not support this construct, I was wondering if jbom >>> has this in roadmap and if you can give some advice on difficulty and state >>> of implementation >>> >>> Regards, >>> Anurag**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev**** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com**** >>> >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>> >>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbpm-dev mailing list >> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing list > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > > -- - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -