Guys, I hate to be the one to bring everybody back to reality after the release, but I would hate it to see improvements that were made over the last year slip again. Now I'm not talking about improvements in the engine which were for the outside mostly invisible. No, I'm talking about the much improved use of directly visible things like using the jira, wiki etc. Thomas did a great job in that regard. Deutsche Gründlichkeit is what we miss

Now, I'd love to take that upon me, but my free time is becomming limited again and I think it should belong to someone directly in the

project. Why do I bring this up now? http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13217 contains several things. The most important being September 1st: jBPM-4.1 *Milestone* *Date* Jira Freeze July 22th Code freeze August 18th *Release* *September 1st* July 22th being yesterday. So this means the issue list for 4.1 is frozen now since I assume everybody had these dates in mind. If that is not the case, I'd like you all to go over your issues and see if they can be fixed before august 18th. If not, assign them to the next release, so expectations on the outside are realistic!!!

In addition, I'd like this 'roadmap' page to be either kept up to date or for the most part just contain links to the jira.

The way the details of features are mentioned there do not add anything to the fact that you can have these kinds of reports from Jira. e.g. by using labels if we do not want to have to many components. Going over issues that were reported lately against 4.0 is not wrong either, there might be some that can be fixed quickly and give a positive impression of the project.

So come on and do your housecleaning duties by obeying this order or next time you guys all drink Heineken a full evening here in Utrecht.

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As Tom said, we went over practically every issue that was open during the last week (trust me, there are more exciting things). The issues that are currently assigned to any of us are the ones we commit ourselves to for 4.1. So perhaps our mistake is not having made some statement in the dev list about the freeze, but the Grundlichkeit still is around ;-) But thanks for keeping us alert ;-) Joram On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Baeyens <tbaeyens(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > Ronald van Kuijk wrote: > > Guys, > > > > I hate to be the one to bring everybody back to reality after the > > release, but I would hate it to see improvements that were made over the > > last year slip again. Now I'm not talking about improvements in the > > engine which were for the outside mostly invisible. No, I'm talking > > about the much improved use of directly visible things like using the > > jira, wiki etc. Thomas did a great job in that regard. Deutsche > > Gründlichkeit is what we miss > > +1. > > > Now, I'd love to take that upon me, but my free time is becomming > > limited again and I think it should belong to someone directly in the > > i'm taking lead responsibility. but it is actually a team effort. > > > project. Why do I bring this up now? > > > > http://www.jboss.org/community/docs/DOC-13217 contains several things. > > The most important being > > > > > > September 1st: jBPM-4.1 > > > > *Milestone* > > *Date* > > Jira Freeze July 22th > > Code freeze August 18th > > *Release* *September 1st* > > > > > > July 22th being yesterday. So this means the issue list for 4.1 is > > frozen now since I assume everybody had these dates in mind. If that is > > not the case, I'd like you all to go over your issues and see if they > > can be fixed before august 18th. If not, assign them to the next > > release, so expectations on the outside are realistic!!! > > that has already been done. that is exactly what we spend last week on > before > the party. everyone committed to the issues that were taken on. > > > In addition, I'd like this 'roadmap' page to be either kept up to date > > or for the most part just contain links to the jira. > > there is one thing out of date. that is the code freeze date. that has > been > delayed to August 25th. i just updated it now. > > > The way the details > > of features are mentioned there do not add anything to the fact that you > > can have these kinds of reports from Jira. e.g. by using labels if we do > > not want to have to many components. Going over issues that were > > reported lately against 4.0 is not wrong either, there might be some > > that can be fixed quickly and give a positive impression of the project. > > i don't get this part. can you elaborate ? > > maybe it is not clear how we use that page. the reason for the features > being > listed in the page is to organise and get an overview of the priorities. > from > those priorities, the concrete roadmap issues are created in jira. so > jira is > the reference for the concrete work. > > i'll add that explanation in case that would be the cause of confusion. > > > So come on and do your housecleaning duties by obeying this order or > > next time you guys all drink Heineken a full evening here in Utrecht. > > i don't know yet what housecleaning you're referring to. but in any case, > a > heineken in utrechts sounds good. > > regards, tom. > > > > > Ronald > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > jbpm-dev mailing list > > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev > _______________________________________________ > jbpm-dev mailing list > jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >

Op 23-07-09 13:46, Joram Barrez schreef: De *gustibus et coloribus* non disputandum ... et mulieribus? Sono Pazzi Questi Romani! Btw, can anybody see this https://jira.jboss.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requ... When they are logged in in Jira? I have some nice filters that I want to be public but I do not seem to have the rights to do that. Now I'm curious if anybody that is just logged in can see them.

> In addition, I'd like this 'roadmap' page to be either kept up to > date or for the most part just contain links to the jira. there is one thing out of date. that is the code freeze date. that has been delayed to August 25th. i just updated it now. > The way the details of features are mentioned there do not add > anything to the fact that you can have these kinds of reports from > Jira. e.g. by using labels if we do not want to have to many > components. Going over issues that were reported lately against 4.0 > is not wrong either, there might be some that can be fixed quickly > and give a positive impression of the project. i don't get this part. can you elaborate ? maybe it is not clear how we use that page. the reason for the features being listed in the page is to organise and get an overview of the priorities. from those priorities, the concrete roadmap issues are created in jira. so jira is the reference for the concrete work.

Beer, utrecht? I am interessted ;-) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: jbpm-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto:jbpm-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org] Im Auftrag von Tom Baeyens Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 13:38 An: Ronald van Kuijk Cc: jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Betreff: Re: [jbpm-dev] Party pooper? Back to work... _______________________________________________ jbpm-dev mailing list jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev