Eiki, Best is to subscribe to the dev mailinglist to receive posts to this forum. Yes we missed you a lot... no just kidding. It was kind of fruitful and I posted a new topic kind of related to this. But a short summary would be Tom has two big reservations and one minor - One is time (the july 1st deadline for 4.0.0.GA) - Is it realy needed? Don't customers always use their own ui framework anyway? - The minor one is backwards compatibility (shouldn't we support what is there now?) The first is valid. If you want to do new things you should do them fairlly well (docs, how to embed in your own application, examples , an editor? etc) The second one is kind of depending on what you provide I think. People using struts, velocity or whatever will not quickly als embed. jsf, certainly if what is provided out of the box is kind of limited. For an 'independent' technology like XForms that might be different, so I think that argument is not realy valid. We did not realy talk about editors or the XForms engine, but I do admit to Toms argument that the Orbeon site is more mature. That does not say anything about the engine and/or editor though View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4215948#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...