Can anyone here respond to this? http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 Ed -- | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/

I'm not sure it's worth fighting there in the comments. Just going to make it a bigger issue, IMO. I think we should just keep saturating the blogosphere with posts that show people how truly easy it is, and make sure we keep pointing people back to www.javaserverfaces.org, which should stay up to date with the best guides we can possibly muster for getting started. --Lincoln On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > You really have to put on your battle armor when you enter TSS, but this is > where a lot of the FUD about JSF 2 and Java EE originates. > > -Dan > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Ed Burns <Ed.Burns(a)sun.com&gt; wrote: >> >> Can anyone here respond to this? >> >> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 >> >> Ed >> -- >> | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 >> | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/ > > > > -- > Dan Allen > Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action > Registered Linux User #231597 > > http://mojavelinux.com > http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen >

Just posted something - and posted a link to javaserverfaces.org as well. regards, Martin On 12/16/09, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I'm not sure it's worth fighting there in the comments. Just going to > make it a bigger issue, IMO. > > I think we should just keep saturating the blogosphere with posts that > show people how truly easy it is, and make sure we keep pointing > people back to www.javaserverfaces.org, which should stay up to date > with the best guides we can possibly muster for getting started. > > --Lincoln > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> You really have to put on your battle armor when you enter TSS, but this >> is >> where a lot of the FUD about JSF 2 and Java EE originates. >> >> -Dan >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Ed Burns <Ed.Burns(a)sun.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Can anyone here respond to this? >>> >>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 >>> >>> Ed >>> -- >>> | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 >>> | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Allen >> Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action >> Registered Linux User #231597 >> >> http://mojavelinux.com >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction >> http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen >> > > -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces

I just posted something as well. I think it's important that we publicly acknowledge that JSF 1 left a lot to be desired, but that we are working hard to fix that in JSF 2. I also think it's important that we let people know we are listening, and that we seriously consider what they say, even if they may be somewhat belligerent. I also added a link to www.javaserverfaces.org in my reply. david 2009/12/15 Martin Marinschek <mmarinschek(a)apache.org&gt; > Just posted something - and posted a link to javaserverfaces.org as well. > > regards, > > Martin > > On 12/16/09, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > I'm not sure it's worth fighting there in the comments. Just going to > > make it a bigger issue, IMO. > > > > I think we should just keep saturating the blogosphere with posts that > > show people how truly easy it is, and make sure we keep pointing > > people back to www.javaserverfaces.org, which should stay up to date > > with the best guides we can possibly muster for getting started. > > > > --Lincoln > > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> You really have to put on your battle armor when you enter TSS, but > >> this > >> is > >> where a lot of the FUD about JSF 2 and Java EE originates. > >> > >> -Dan > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Ed Burns <Ed.Burns(a)sun.com&gt; wrote: > >>> > >>> Can anyone here respond to this? > >>> > >>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 > >>> > >>> Ed > >>> -- > >>> | ed.burns(a)sun.com | office: 408 884 9519 OR x31640 > >>> | homepage: | http://ridingthecrest.com/ > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dan Allen > >> Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action > >> Registered Linux User #231597 > >> > >> http://mojavelinux.com > >> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > >> http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen > >> > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Martin Marinschek < mmarinschek(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > Hi David, > > I agree. My second post with the link interestingly vanished - thanks > for re-adding the link. > A Wicket conspiracy? Hahaha. Just kidding ;) -Dan -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM, David Geary <clarity.training(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > I just posted something as well. I think it's important that we publicly > acknowledge that JSF 1 left a lot to be desired, but that we are working > hard to fix that in JSF 2. I also think it's important that we let people > know we are listening, and that we seriously consider what they say, even if > they may be somewhat belligerent. I also added a link to > www.javaserverfaces.org in my reply. > Great post. Some posts need no response because there would be nothing more to add or take away. I think your post falls in that category ;) -Dan -- Dan Allen Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen

2009/12/15 Kito Mann <kito.mann(a)virtua.com&gt; > You know, that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought. I found the Spring vs > Java EE thread pretty fascinating, actually. I'll have to tell Reza that > :-). > > I added a small post, but honestly, I felt like JSF 2 was represented > pretty well, and not just by us. > Yup, agreed. Quite a few folks were quick to defend JSF 2, and highlight how cool it is. Yet another verification that we're on the right track. Feels good. With that said, we do have to remember that we are approaching 6 months