On 11/4/10 11:33 PM, Cay Horstmann wrote: The archive for jsr-314-eg is here: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A0=JSR-314-EG This covers July 2007 - May 2009. The archive for jsr-314-open is here: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A0=JSR-314-OPEN This covers March 2009 - June 2009. Both of these require login to view. This sadly leaves a gap, starting in June 2009, that isn't covered by any available archive. Dan's mission, before the expert group was disbanded, was to get all of these archives, including the threads from the missing periods: 1. Online. And... 2. Accessible without login. I still think that this is a very critical goal for JSF. While I am grateful for the effort that JBoss has made in making the latest archives available on lists.jboss.org - and I have been taking full advantage of the ability to share these publicly accessible links - this looks like a stop-gap measure to me. It's been over a year since we first reported the problems with our archives to the JCP. We need the JCP to finally come through and provide a more formal solution. Andy

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Cay Horstmann <cay.horstmann(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: At one point we discussed how to handle the jsr-314-eg archives. At first, I suggested to include the in the open archive. However, after giving it some more thought (and watching FaceBook get slammed for providing a false sense of privacy), it's not fair to put those posts in the open since they were sent with an understanding they would be private to the EG. More importantly, Ed made this decision already, and set the expectation, in his blog entry announcing JSR-314-OPEN [1] "Any content previously sent the JSR-314-EG before JSR-314-OPEN was created is not publically accessible, but know that all future content, for the rest of the JSR, will be." I support both promises :) (As a side note, as I read over that blog entry again, I applaud Ed's decision to make this JSR open--we just need to bring it full circle. That should be a requirement, not an option, for all JSRs.) Absolutely. If you can provide me with an mbox file, I'll see it gets imported. I just didn't have an mbox file available to do the import myself. I sent a request to someone within Red Hat who has them, but I never heard back. Hence why the rest of the import stalled. The first message to JSR-314-OPEN was posted ~ Mar 4 2009. If someone has an mbox file that starts then, feel free to send it to me (*don't attach it to the list as it will be too confusing*). "The first step is admitting you have a problem." The JCP needs to come to terms with the fact that the infrastructure for mailinglists is a problem. Setting up an open mailnglist should not be a difficult task. -Dan [1] http://weblogs.java.net/blog/edburns/archive/2009/03/response_to_a_c.html -- Dan Allen Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen