8:06 a.m.
I've had a few discussions with a certain EE vendor who is concerned
that the use of the "Bean" terminology sends the message that Web
Beans is a separate component model that competes with EJB. I don't
necessarily agree, but I can see why some people might get that
impression. Whatever: on this issue I think we should do whatever is
necessary to make 299 palatable to all the vendors in the space.
So we should search for alternative terminology. Here's my suggestion:
Web Bean -> injectable type
simple Web Bean -> injectable java class
enterprise Web Bean -> session bean
Web Bean instance -> injectable instance / instance of an injectable type
WDYT? Does anyone have a better suggestion? Does anyone *not* want to
make this change?
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8:32 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Gavin King <gavin(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
I've had a few discussions with a certain EE vendor who is
concerned
that the use of the "Bean" terminology sends the message that Web
Beans is a separate component model that competes with EJB. I don't
necessarily agree, but I can see why some people might get that
impression. Whatever: on this issue I think we should do whatever is
necessary to make 299 palatable to all the vendors in the space.
As long as the specs don't become JSR 299: Injectable Types ;-)
Could the term "Managed" or "Contextual" be applied instead? Although
a session bean is automagically a session bean
in WB it looks like no value has been added at all. "Managed session
bean"? "Contextual session bean"?
Are singleton beans also classified as "session beans" BTW?
Nik
8:43 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Nicklas Karlsson <nickarls(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Could the term "Managed" or "Contextual" be
applied instead?
With the introduction of the Contextual interface, "contextual type"
already means something. (It would be possible to change that
terminology also, of course.) What we are looking for is a terminology
to distinguish things that implement the Bean interface ... the
defining feature of which is that it makes a contextual type available
for injection or lookup by name.
Yes, "managed" is an option I suppose, but there are lots of
container-managed types (servlets, MDBs) which are by nature *not*
injectable, so I don't love it.
Although
a session bean is automagically a session bean
in WB it looks like no value has been added at all. "Managed session
bean"? "Contextual session bean"?
Injectable session bean is a possibilty, but if the all session beans
are injectable, what does this terminology add, apart from confusion?
Are singleton beans also classified as "session beans" BTW?
Yes.
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Gavin King
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http://hibernate.org
http://seamframework.org
6:40 a.m.
On 24 Nov 2008, at 13:06, Gavin King wrote:
I've had a few discussions with a certain EE vendor who is
concerned
that the use of the "Bean" terminology sends the message that Web
Beans is a separate component model that competes with EJB. I don't
necessarily agree, but I can see why some people might get that
impression. Whatever: on this issue I think we should do whatever is
necessary to make 299 palatable to all the vendors in the space.
So we should search for alternative terminology. Here's my suggestion:
Web Bean -> injectable type
simple Web Bean -> injectable java class
enterprise Web Bean -> session bean
Web Bean instance -> injectable instance / instance of an injectable
type
This seems quite fragmented to me, I guess I would go for something
like:
Web Bean -> injectable bean
Simple Web Bean -> injectable JavaBean
Enterprise Web Bean -> session bean
Web Bean instance -> injectable bean instance or just bean instance
This means we loose the proper noun (Web Bean) which I think is what
makes it sounds more like a new model, but to me seems more consistent
with Java terminology.
WDYT? Does anyone have a better suggestion? Does anyone *not* want to
make this change?
--
Gavin King
gavin.king(a)gmail.com
http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin
http://hibernate.org
http://seamframework.org
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