9:46 a.m.
On 2014-05-26, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bruno Oliveira
<bruno(a)abstractj.org> wrote:
> On 2014-05-26, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bruno Oliveira <bruno(a)abstractj.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Good morning peeps, after the latest change[1] correct me if I'm
> wrong. But
> > > I think KC and UPS will do pretty much what we need.
> > >
> > > We have a push admin and the super user on KC side enabled. Let me know
> > > if that is what you need and I will take a look at viewer role.
> > >
> >
> > One thing that I noticed: when I login as 'admin', I don't see the
> > applications created by 'user'
> > I think with that change, the 'admin' is the overall Keycloak-Admin.
>
> With the recent changes we have 2 admins:
>
> - KC admin
> - UPS admin
>
> I think the UPS admin should have the visibility of all applications
> created, right? I will look at this.
>
* super-user: in charge of managing the UPS realm (including users); can
see _ALL_ push applications (that's the 'admin' in Sebi's older gist)
* PushAdmin: Someone that can manage applications and variants, but is not
able to add new users; he also sees only his applications/variants etc
(that's the 'developer' in sebisolder gist)
You already said it in the previous e-mail, not necessary to say it
again. I think the point of confusion here is:
KC admin can't see your application/variants or whatever you want,
because it doesn't belong to KC. If you look at
http://docs.jboss.org/keycloak/docs/1.0-alpha-3/userguide/html_single/ind...,
you will notice that KC is very good on managing application, but knows
nothing about UPS, which is correct.
From my understanding we have 2 admins: KC and UPS. So when you say
super user, I can see into this way:
- super user: KC admin to manage realms, configurations, revoke clients,
manage users...etc. 0 visibility of UPS domain, into other words this
admin can't manage variants or applications.
- admin: UPS admin. This user can't manage realms, configuration, revoke
clients, manage users...etc. But has full visibility of UPS domain,
into other words manage variants or applications etc.
>
> >
> >
> > I had a chat w/ Stian in the past, for the above mentioned
> > "super-user" (which is leveraging the Keycloak realm) Stian and I
were
> > thinking of a "Super User", that simply has not all permissions. For
> > instance, it would have:
> > * AdminRoles.VIEW_USERS
> > * AdminRoles.MANAGE_USERS
> >
> > But it would not have the "AdminRoles.ADMIN" role. As we don't
need to
> have
> > that guy/super-user being able to create realms or other applications,
> just
> > the "user access" items.
> >
> > I guess that's why we did see the 'remove()' before
>
> I understand the permission scope restriction for KC admin
> (aka super-user). But if we remove the admin, how could you login to manage
> users/roles?
>
The "super-admin" would be still able to manage the realm, but he would be
no longer a 'real' KC admin, by removing the 'AdminRoles.ADMIN' role,
that's what Stian and I were talking in the past.
Perhaps he can say a bit more
Change permissions, I understand. But I don't understand why we need to
remove the user. Either way I will talk with Stian, thank you.
>
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] -
> > >
> > >
>
https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/commit/3e118b1c75...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2014-05-21, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > > > Just a thought... regarding those two roles 'PushAdmin' and
> 'Super-User',
> > > > IMO the Super-user should be able to see all apps (and their
> variants,
> > > > including registered devices).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Bruno Oliveira
<bruno(a)abstractj.org
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you Matthias, I will look at it and return back with more
> > > > > questions if necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2014-05-21, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes - the handling is done by Keycloak itself; Last time
we
> looked at
> > > > > user
> > > > > > management, we had the following in terms of roles:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gist.github.com/sebastienblanc/6547605
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not sure the names of these roles are great.... let's
see
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basically I think the role definition in the gist still
addresses
> > > most of
> > > > > > what we want to archive:
> > > > > > * super-user: in charge of managing the UPS realm
(including
> users);
> > > can
> > > > > > see _ALL_ push applications (that's the admin in
Sebi's gist)
> > > > > > * PushAdmin: Someone that can manage applications and
variants,
> but
> > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > able to add new users; he also sees only his
> applications/variants
> > > etc
> > > > > > (that's the developer in sebis gist)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The gist also contains a 'Viewer' role - At this
point I am not
> sure
> > > we
> > > > > do
> > > > > > really need this. My impression is that if we have
PushAdmins
> for our
> > > > > 1.0.0
> > > > > > community release that will be enough.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Bruno Oliveira <
> > > bruno(a)abstractj.org
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good morning peeps,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before I jump in
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-639. I
> > > would
> > > > > > > like to understand what do you guys want say with this
issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently Keycloak already has its own user/roles
managements.
> > > What do
> > > > > > > you guys are looking for? Any specific requirements?
> > > > > > >
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